Ep. 020 - Lucia's Heart

Brian celebrates his 20th episode with a very special guest — his sister, Lucia ♥️ 
Together, they dive into childhood memories, their love of music, family, the keys to stability, more music, connecting across the Atlantic ocean, and lots more! 

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Brian
(0:0) Welcome to my studio, Lucia.

Lucia
(0:02) Thank you very much for having me in your studio.

Brian
(0:05) This is a this is a big deal because you are my sister.

Lucia
(0:09) I'm a big sister, Yep.

Brian
(0:11) And my godmom.

Lucia
(0:12) That also is true.

Brian
(0:14) And, also, this is the twentieth episode.

Lucia
(0:18) Wow.
(0:18) And I'm 20.
(0:19) That's fantastic.

Brian
(0:20) Times

Lucia
(0:22) Times three plus one.
(0:28) In all directions.

Brian
(0:33) This is the first time that we're in this new new setup.

Lucia
(0:41) Okay.
(0:42) I like it.

Brian
(0:42) I still need to get a a chair.
(0:45) You have the comfy

Lucia
(0:46) Yes.
(0:46) I do.

Brian
(0:47) IKEA chair.
(0:48) I've got a desk chair.

Lucia
(0:49) Okay.
(0:50) Sorry.
(0:50) Sucks to be you.
(0:51) Yeah.
(0:51) But you're the little brother.

Lucia
(0:53) So

Brian
(0:53) Yes.
(0:56) Speaking of which, we always start with, do you remember the first time that we met?

Lucia
(1:01) I'm pretty sure I remember the first time I met you because you were a baby.
(1:07) I had been at egg law.
(1:09) I had been at boarding school when you were born.
(1:11) I remember of course, it was well before mobile phones and stuff.
(1:17) So I had to get a long distance phone call from our dad to make the announcement that we'd had another little brother, and I was super excited.

Lucia
(1:28) And I believe he called during lunch to make the announcement.
(1:32) So, anyway, there was a lot of anticipation.
(1:35) But when I actually laid eyes upon you for the first time, you were in a stroller.
(1:41) You were in Minneapolis.
(1:43) I saw I arrived at the Minneapolis Airport.

Lucia
(1:46) So excited to see my new brother I'd never met before.
(1:49) You must have been eight months old because your birthday is December.
(1:52) So, yeah, I think you were eight months old or so or pushing eight months.
(1:56) And your mom stood there.
(1:57) I walked past because, again, early days, you could walk all the way to the gate to greet your people.

Lucia
(2:04) You didn't have to wait after the luggage and all of that.
(2:06) No security necessary.
(2:08) So I arrived at the Minneapolis Airport.
(2:10) You were in your little stroller.
(2:12) And the funny thing was I was 13.

Lucia
(2:16) I was almost 14 at this point that I met you.
(2:19) So when I had last seen everybody, like your our dad and your mom, it was maybe even a year before, so I had changed a lot.
(2:27) That's the time where a girl really changes.
(2:29) And your mom's reaction was funny.
(2:31) She went, when I tapped her on the shoulder, she had not recognized me.

Brian
(2:35) Oh, boy.

Lucia
(2:36) So anyway but I didn't care about that.
(2:37) I just wanted to see my new little baby brother, and you were super cute and round in your stroller.
(2:42) So that's that's yeah.
(2:44) That's when I met you.
(2:45) That's when you met me.

Lucia
(2:46) I bet you didn't know that story.

Brian
(2:48) Not exactly.
(2:49) I didn't remember that you were you were in Eglen.
(2:51) So you were in Switzerland, and we were in The US.
(2:54) Yep.

Lucia
(2:56) Yeah.
(2:57) That's weird.

Brian
(2:57) That itself is kind

Lucia
(2:58) of reverse.
(3:00) Reversal kind of thing.
(3:01) It is very strange because dad and Crete lived in Minneapolis for two years Yep.
(3:07) At which time you were born.
(3:08) The other funny thing, little trivial pursuit thing, is that the same doctor delivered me and you.

Brian
(3:16) Yes.

Lucia
(3:17) Because we're both born in Minneapolis as was our older sis, but she had a different doctor deliver her.

Brian
(3:23) And that was doctor

Lucia
(3:24) His name is doctor Hal Meeker.
(3:26) And he worked with our grandpa who was an obstetrician.
(3:29) I later on went to find out that Hal Meeker's wife was from Canada and was best friends with my neighbor from Vancouver.
(3:38) Like, very bizarre.
(3:40) Yeah.

Lucia
(3:41) It's a very tiny world at times.
(3:42) Yeah.
(3:43) Very big and very, very small.

Brian
(3:45) So, yeah, maybe I should for people who don't know us.
(3:49) So our dad we've got the same dad.

Lucia
(3:52) Yep.

Brian
(3:53) And, so he had our sister

Lucia
(3:57) Yep.

Brian
(3:57) Dina.
(3:58) Mhmm.
(3:59) Then two years and a half later?

Lucia
(4:02) Or Two years, nine months, which I think is the same diff well, I mean

Brian
(4:05) Pretty much.
(4:06) I guess, like, two

Lucia
(4:07) years, nine months between our sis and me.
(4:09) Yeah.
(4:09) And then ten years later, had Oliver.
(4:14) And then I think it's, like, two years, nine months later, you were born.
(4:18) So it's kind of interesting.

Brian
(4:19) Yep.
(4:19) Yeah.

Lucia
(4:19) Two girls and two boys, but ten years apart.

Brian
(4:22) Ten years apart.
(4:23) So you so you were born in Minneapolis.
(4:26) Yep.
(4:27) Then, yeah, just maybe in a nutshell, where did you live?
(4:33) Because you moved around quite a bit.

Lucia
(4:35) I did, and it wasn't my decision.
(4:38) Of course, I was dragged along, probably kicking and screaming.
(4:42) I was told I was a I had a lot of tantrums as as a child.
(4:46) But, anyway, before I turned a year old, my dad our dad, I mean, and and my mom moved.
(4:53) They were transferred with with Cargill.

Lucia
(4:56) They were transferred to Memphis, Tennessee.
(5:00) And we stayed there until I was about four years old and then moved to Geneva.
(5:05) So I was four, moved to Geneva.
(5:07) Our parents split up when I was five, and my mom moved our sis and I back to Memphis, Tennessee, which was weird because she did not grow up in Memphis.
(5:20) But I guess she had that was her first time to sort of be an adult without her parents, and she made lots of friends she really enjoyed, and she married a man from Memphis.

Lucia
(5:30) So we moved to Memphis for about almost four years.
(5:34) And then when I was almost I guess I was 11 still, moved to Geneva or to Switzerland.
(5:40) I shouldn't say Geneva.
(5:41) We went to boarding school at Eglon up in Villard.
(5:45) And I went to school for two years there, and then I went back to Memphis sort of for my third time and lived in Memphis for the four last years of high school.

Lucia
(5:57) Yep.
(5:57) Then I moved back to Geneva because I really wanted to spend time with you guys.
(6:03) And I took what was, I guess, technically called a gap year between high school and university, and I stayed in Geneva and studied various things like French, dance, theater.
(6:13) I did a bit of modeling.
(6:15) I was I did some theater work.

Lucia
(6:17) It was a great year.
(6:18) I had a great time.
(6:19) And then I went to university in, Sarah Lawrence College outside of New York City before I got married, and then I moved to Dubai.
(6:28) And then I moved to Vancouver in 1989 where I have been ever since.

Brian
(6:34) Wow.

Lucia
(6:35) Yeah.

Brian
(6:35) I did not, register remember that you were that young when dad and and Jean and your mom separated.

Lucia
(6:45) Yeah.
(6:45) I was only five.

Brian
(6:46) You were only so do you have any memories from them together?
(6:50) Or

Lucia
(6:50) I do, actually.
(6:52) I have some small little snippets of memories.
(6:54) I remember being in Memphis when we were little.
(6:57) I remember the house a bit.
(6:59) But the thing when you say the word divorce and our parents, I remember I went to La Gradell.

Lucia
(7:05) I remember saying something to mom and dad about, oh, you didn't kiss goodbye.
(7:12) And they said, well, divorced people don't give each other a kiss.

Brian
(7:15) Oh.

Lucia
(7:16) And I was only five.
(7:18) But, obviously, if I remember that and I'm 61 now, it made an impact on me as a little five year old kid.
(7:25) I remember washing my hands in kindergarten, telling my friends my parents are divorced, and they said, what does that mean?
(7:33) And I said, I don't know, but they're divorced.
(7:35) Is that weird?

Brian
(7:37) Yeah.

Lucia
(7:37) It's really weird.
(7:38) I remember the yellow soap.

Brian
(7:39) Do you know what is?
(7:40) They still have that soap.

Lucia
(7:41) But it's like a metal bar.
(7:43) Yep.
(7:43) And the soap it's it looks like a hot dog bun or

Brian
(7:47) something.
(7:47) Yeah.
(7:47) Yeah.
(7:47) Between a banana and a hot dog bun.

Lucia
(7:50) It's really ridiculous and probably pretty gross.

Brian
(7:52) Yeah.

Lucia
(7:52) But I remember washing my hands and saying, I I don't know, but they're divorced.
(7:56) Like, trust me on this one.
(7:57) I'm just telling you they're divorced.
(7:58) And I was five.
(7:59) That's so weird.

Brian
(8:00) Yeah.
(8:01) At at the time, were there less divorces, you think?

Lucia
(8:05) Or I actually don't know, but I think they were pretty new.
(8:11) The divorce thing like, the trend, I guess, if it was trendy, they would be kind of the early ones, the the newbies in getting divorced.
(8:21) And then it started to happen with more frequency that I had friends whose parents were divorced.
(8:25) But I, obviously, at that point, had no idea what it meant nor did my friends, so I'm assuming it was not the norm.

Brian
(8:32) Yep.
(8:33) Yeah.
(8:34) Because we as you know, with my son, Sam, who's 10 years old, with his mom so we we weren't married.

Lucia
(8:44) Right.

Brian
(8:44) It was more a priority to have a kid

Lucia
(8:46) Yeah.

Brian
(8:47) I think, and I'm sure glad we did because love him and

Lucia
(8:53) Can't imagine life without him.

Brian
(8:55) No.
(8:55) No.

Lucia
(8:55) No.
(8:55) It's a great

Brian
(8:56) time to get to him.
(8:57) It's crazy.
(8:58) Yeah.
(8:59) But we we separated when he was about one.
(9:04) So we were amongst the first Yeah.

Brian
(9:07) In school to have parents who not not the only one, but we

Lucia
(9:12) That you weren't together.

Brian
(9:13) Yeah.
(9:14) Is that what

Lucia
(9:14) you're Yeah.

Brian
(9:15) And because all the kids in school, they've been together since daycare, a lot of them Okay.
(9:22) Which is really cool because Sam, he's, like, in fifth grade now, and there's maybe, like, half a dozen kids he was in daycare with.
(9:30) So we've known them since they were six, seven months.
(9:32) So we've we've grown to know the parents pretty well and even be become friends.

Lucia
(9:38) That's so nice and so constant for your son.

Brian
(9:42) Yeah.
(9:42) I I mean, yes.
(9:44) Definitely.

Lucia
(9:45) Stable stabilizing Yes.
(9:46) I think to have the same peer group is really great, especially if your parents are not together.
(9:52) However, Sam would not remember you and his mom being together under one roof sort of thing.

Brian
(9:57) Exactly.
(9:58) And so for him, it was normal to Yeah.
(10:02) To and we were lucky that we, had a system and that Geraldine is mainly responsible for finding the right system for us.
(10:13) Yeah.
(10:14) The the great thing is that we both wanted and agreed on split custody, so it was $50.50.

Brian
(10:20) Yeah.
(10:20) We're both working full time and with fairly sim similar income, so there wasn't that financial aspect also that could complicate things.
(10:31) So the practical stuff was fairly easy.

Lucia
(10:35) Right.

Brian
(10:35) And with a kid that's that young I don't know.
(10:40) I mean, Geraldina came mentioned the idea that instead of doing one week, one week, all of it, to split the week in half Yes.
(10:49) And then every other weekend

Lucia
(10:51) The trade weekend

Brian
(10:51) Yep.

Lucia
(10:52) Kind of thing.

Brian
(10:53) And then the other condition is to live in the same neighborhood.
(10:56) It's actually, legally to to have split custody.
(11:01) You have

Lucia
(11:02) to stay in the same neighborhood.
(11:04) Yep.
(11:04) Again, stability.

Brian
(11:06) Yes.
(11:06) Stability.

Lucia
(11:07) The focus on stability.
(11:08) And I think of all the parents I know, you and Geraldina are the most solid co parents who don't live together that I've ever heard of.

Brian
(11:18) Oh, wow.

Lucia
(11:18) Yeah.
(11:19) I I I hear such a nice, sort of simpatico thing about you two, how you raise your son.
(11:26) Also, he's an only child.
(11:28) The fact that he doesn't have siblings and has his parents co parent well would be so important, and it doesn't always work out that way.
(11:38) So that's great.

Lucia
(11:39) That says a lot about you and Geraldina.
(11:41) I think that's excellent for your son.

Brian
(11:42) No.
(11:42) Thanks.

Lucia
(11:43) He feels like you're a priority, and I'm sure he benefits from feeling like that.

Brian
(11:48) I I think so.
(11:49) And, in in a way, the the decision to to separate early enough, soon enough meant that we didn't just stay because of you know, say, oh, we gotta stay together because of our kid.

Lucia
(12:05) That really backfires.
(12:06) It's just

Brian
(12:07) like her.
(12:07) Can.

Lucia
(12:08) I think

Brian
(12:08) it really can.
(12:09) Yeah.

Lucia
(12:10) Yeah.
(12:10) I mean, I'm divorced.
(12:11) Right?
(12:12) Lucas and I divorced.
(12:13) We were together nearly eighteen years, or we I think we were married eighteen years, technically.

Lucia
(12:18) We'd been together a couple years before that.
(12:21) We did not have a sense of we've gotta stick together for the children.
(12:25) We had actually been together a very long time.

Brian
(12:27) Mhmm.

Lucia
(12:28) It was not you know, it's never anyone's first choice, isn't it?
(12:31) You don't think, oh, how about we get divorced or we do something else?
(12:35) It's not like that.
(12:36) It's like, okay.
(12:36) It's not working out.

Lucia
(12:38) And, you know, the the reasons are always quite personal and quite challenging, I think.
(12:43) And I think tension is in the air if you don't separate.
(12:49) You know, if you just stick together for whatever reason you think it's a better idea and you make a big effort to stick together.
(12:57) Everyone feels the tension in the air, and that's very stressful.
(13:01) Kids are amazing at picking up stress.

Lucia
(13:05) Yep.
(13:06) I think.

Brian
(13:07) It's not to recommend to anybody, like, oh, you're having trouble in your marriage.
(13:11) Get, you know, separate Get divorced.
(13:12) Before it gets bad.

Lucia
(13:13) Certainly not a big advocate.

Brian
(13:14) I think in in in our case, it it worked out for the best.
(13:18) And and and in a way, because Sam was so young, that was normal for him and Sure.
(13:24) And stable because we got along.
(13:25) So, of course, we don't always agree.
(13:28) The the first year is more difficult, I think.

Brian
(13:31) But, yeah, he it's not that long ago.
(13:34) I think it was maybe three years ago that one of the girls in his class asked why like, what's the deal with your parents?
(13:44) Why are they together?
(13:45) And so he he asked me Good.
(13:48) He asked the question, and, you know, I explained I said, yeah.

Brian
(13:52) You know, we just, agreed to to to separate, but we're we're yeah.
(13:58) We agreed to disagree and you know?
(14:00) But we're friends, and we we, you know, we both love you, and and we still consider Geraldine a family.
(14:07) We're still, in a way, a family, but not in maybe in the traditional sense.
(14:11) His reaction when Mathilde, his friend, asked you, This is the way that Sam explained it.

Brian
(14:18) Was like, oh,

Lucia
(14:21) And It's sort of like, I don't know what it means.
(14:25) Yeah.
(14:25) But we're we're divorced.
(14:26) It's kind of the same reaction.
(14:28) It's a child.

Lucia
(14:29) The child's not supposed to know the intricacies of the parents' relationship, I believe.
(14:35) Right?
(14:36) So it's like if there's a word divorced or not together, what have you, I think the fact that they're okay, all their needs are met, and it's stable, my sense is that everyone does the best the most important things for the child, and the child's gonna be okay.
(14:53) Yeah.
(14:53) I'd like to believe that.

Brian
(14:54) Me too.
(14:55) I like to believe believe that.
(14:57) And then, you know, if I start questioning too much, I can sometimes I wonder.
(15:01) I was like as you know, especially since then, we've had both Geraldine and I had relationships, and, you know, and then it didn't work out.
(15:11) So I just hope that Sam's image of being in a couple yeah.

Brian
(15:15) The concept.
(15:16) But yeah.
(15:17) I mean I mean, you can't see.

Lucia
(15:19) Yeah.
(15:20) As much as we want to as parents, you wanna you wanna put them in that glass bubble and show them all you know, it's all sunshine and roses and, you know, whatever every day, and it's not like that.

Brian
(15:31) It's not reality.

Lucia
(15:33) But he knows other couples who've been to get like, Dina and Ian are older sis, and her husband have been together for forty plus years, and he know you know?
(15:41) So he would know other couples and stuff.
(15:45) And, I mean, think about we're talking you said you're not conventional in your relationship or something

Brian
(15:50) like that.

Lucia
(15:50) I can't remember the word you just used.
(15:51) I should.
(15:52) But you think about families today.
(15:55) There are two daddies.
(15:56) There are two mommies.

Lucia
(15:58) I've heard of throuples.
(15:59) I've heard of all sorts of things, which can you imagine what our father would think?

Brian
(16:03) Oh, boy.

Lucia
(16:04) Or his father.
(16:05) I mean, you know, the generations, the concept of family has become very diverse.

Brian
(16:11) Mhmm.

Lucia
(16:12) Whether you like it or not, it's just some some people live like that.
(16:16) Some people live like this.
(16:17) Some people you know?
(16:18) So Yep.
(16:19) Again, I think that the main thing where children are involved is stability.

Lucia
(16:25) And as you said, we still love you for the child.
(16:28) To know that they're the love for the child is never altered by whatever's going on with the parents.

Brian
(16:33) They Yep.

Lucia
(16:34) Child always comes first.

Brian
(16:35) Yep.
(16:36) Yeah.
(16:36) Children.
(16:37) Yeah.
(16:37) Definitely.

Brian
(16:43) I just wanna come back to when we met.

Lucia
(16:46) Yep.

Brian
(16:47) So what so, of course, I don't remember when I was eight months, but I I I remember the visits, and I I really remember that time when you came and lived in in Geneva Yes.
(17:00) Because you you stayed with us

Lucia
(17:02) Yep.
(17:03) I lived with you in the same house.

Brian
(17:04) In the upstairs little bedroom.

Lucia
(17:07) Yep.

Brian
(17:07) And We call it the

Lucia
(17:08) toilet flush room.

Brian
(17:09) Oh, really?

Lucia
(17:10) By the toilet.

Brian
(17:11) Oh, yes.

Lucia
(17:11) We I could enjoy the sound of the flushing of the toilet.
(17:15) Wonderful.

Brian
(17:17) It was a it was a weird house because it only had one one bathroom.

Lucia
(17:21) Bathroom on the Top Floor.
(17:22) But, anyway, we digress.

Brian
(17:24) We we yeah.
(17:26) But, no.
(17:27) What I remember is, also, I remember that you you came in with cassette tapes

Lucia
(17:32) Mhmm.

Brian
(17:32) Of, the first video music videos that I had seen.
(17:38) So it was Michael Jackson.

Lucia
(17:39) For sure.
(17:40) It was a thriller album.
(17:41) Thriller?
(17:41) Yeah.
(17:42) It's a big deal.

Brian
(17:43) So there was the the video thriller and bad?

Lucia
(17:46) Bad was later.

Brian
(17:47) No.
(17:47) Sorry.
(17:48) Sorry.
(17:48) Beat it.

Lucia
(17:49) Beat it.

Brian
(17:50) Beat it.
(17:50) I love dance school,

Lucia
(17:52) we had a dance routine to that.

Brian
(17:53) To beat it?

Lucia
(17:54) To beat it.
(17:55) Mhmm.
(17:56) I could perform it for you now, but then the listeners wouldn't be able to see it.

Brian
(17:59) No.
(17:59) It'd be such a shame.

Lucia
(18:00) Yeah.
(18:01) No.
(18:02) And the other really big one when videos came out was Eurythmics.
(18:07) Yes.
(18:08) Sweet dreams.

Lucia
(18:09) Made of this.
(18:10) Yep.
(18:10) That was also on there.
(18:12) The show, I think, that we watched a lot was called.

Brian
(18:15) But,

Lucia
(18:17) yeah, that music video was a way to see performers.
(18:23) We you know, you didn't get to do that until that time

Brian
(18:26) Mhmm.

Lucia
(18:26) Unless you went to their concert and went to your you would listen to music on a record or on a tape.
(18:32) But the only chance you had to see them, what what the performer looked like, what the singer, what the musicians look like is if you got to go to their concert.

Brian
(18:40) Yeah.
(18:40) I never thought.

Lucia
(18:41) There was a program on television.
(18:42) Yeah.
(18:42) So it'd be a recorded something that would be aired.
(18:45) Right?
(18:46) So it's hard to think of that now because everything's so instant.

Lucia
(18:49) But videos were so creative and so, like, fun to watch because you felt much more connected to the artist.
(18:58) It gave everyone an opportunity to see while you listened.

Brian
(19:02) And it was a chance to experiment also, I think, when you look at those music videos in the eighties and the the start up.
(19:10) I mean, thriller was like, there were many movies.
(19:13) They mean

Lucia
(19:14) Mhmm.
(19:14) That's such a cool album for Michael Jackson.
(19:17) Like or Quincy Jones was the producer of that.

Brian
(19:19) Yeah.
(19:20) Right?

Lucia
(19:20) Yep.
(19:21) A powerhouse.

Brian
(19:23) Yeah.
(19:23) Yeah.
(19:23) Yeah.
(19:24) Yeah.
(19:24) And and also during that time, there was Prince in Purple Rain.

Brian
(19:29) Right.
(19:29) You you were more Michael Jackson than Prince.

Lucia
(19:32) I really I think I only really developed an appreciation and admiration for Prince through you.
(19:39) I know you're a massive Prince fan, but now I look at some of the, you know, the clips of his dancing.
(19:47) I did go to see a live concert of his.
(19:49) I blew my mind how talented the man is and was and always during award shows, and I think he played at a Super Bowl halftime

Brian
(19:57) show.

Lucia
(19:57) Yes.
(19:58) I mean, woah.
(19:59) He was tiny, minuscule guy, but so electrifying, you know, to see.
(20:05) And all those instruments he played and stuff and just the theatrical aspect of what he did.
(20:10) Right?

Lucia
(20:11) Yeah.
(20:11) His it's like he was in costume all the time.

Brian
(20:15) Yeah.
(20:15) He had the the this persona kind of the the he went through different phases, the the the style and what he'd wear and his haircut and everything.
(20:26) But, yeah, Michael Jackson was the first superstar that I can remember, and I I, you know, I I love beaded, and I really admired him as an artist.
(20:39) And and then Prince, it was later.
(20:43) But, yeah, these these megastars.

Brian
(20:45) We were talking about this just before the podcast, but when you look at if you look at Prince and Michael Jackson, many others who were just so into their music and performance, and it was almost extreme to the point where it affected their health.

Lucia
(21:01) True.

Brian
(21:01) And also just the being in you know, having everybody just go crazy around you.

Lucia
(21:07) Must be crazy.
(21:08) I mean, I I another thing just popped in my mind.
(21:11) I had seen Michael Jackson with his brother.
(21:13) So when they were the Jackson five performing live

Brian
(21:15) Oh, wow.

Lucia
(21:16) In Memphis, Tennessee.

Brian
(21:17) Really?

Lucia
(21:18) I was really young.
(21:19) I mean, I must have been, I don't know, like, 13 or I can't remember my exact age.
(21:24) 13 doesn't sound right.
(21:26) But, anyway, something quite young.
(21:28) 14 maybe or before that.

Lucia
(21:29) I can't remember.
(21:30) But my our sis had a friend who worked for a recording studio in Memphis, and he could get really good concert tickets.
(21:39) And I got to see him, and I was in the center row about four rows back.
(21:43) No.
(21:44) Yes.

Lucia
(21:45) And not only was I very close to the stage, but no one sat down, of course, because talk about stage presence and just the visual of this Jackson fight, like, how they were.
(21:57) You didn't stand on the floor.
(21:59) You didn't stand on your seat even you wanted to get as high up as you could so you stood on your armrest.

Brian
(22:05) Really?

Lucia
(22:05) And that I remember just being like, wow.
(22:08) This is absolutely crazy.
(22:09) Everyone is trying to get like, we're, like, lifted.
(22:13) It was Yeah.
(22:13) It was it was really, I don't know how to even describe it.

Lucia
(22:17) It was so electric.
(22:18) You know?
(22:19) It was so crazy, and they were so talented and so in sync with each other the way they danced.
(22:24) But Michael Jackson had something that's like he was the lead singer, of course, and he wasn't the oldest.
(22:29) He was, I mean, the youngest maybe.

Brian
(22:31) I think so.
(22:32) Yeah.

Lucia
(22:32) He's just off the charts.
(22:35) You know?
(22:35) He's just something your eye just went to him, just drawn to him.

Brian
(22:39) Wow.
(22:39) I

Lucia
(22:39) didn't even know that.
(22:40) Lucky I got to see him.

Brian
(22:41) How old was he at that time,

Lucia
(22:43) do you think?
(22:43) Well, he and I are he I mean, he was the same.
(22:46) He's about six years older than me.
(22:48) Mhmm.
(22:48) So it lets I'm saying I was 13, 14, but I really can't remember

Brian
(22:52) the age.
(22:53) But it was the it was the, yeah, the Jacksons.

Lucia
(22:55) So he he had done his off the wall job, I think.
(22:59) It was maybe it was right before that came out, so we need to look at what that time was.
(23:03) But, I mean, yeah, he was young.
(23:05) They were young guys, and it was before all of the alleged plastic surgery.

Brian
(23:10) Right.

Lucia
(23:11) Yeah.
(23:11) So, anyway, that was just yeah.
(23:13) I feel pretty old when I can say things like that, but I I felt like that was cool to be able to see him.

Brian
(23:19) Yeah.
(23:19) They're all definitely I well, actually, that was one of the questions I wanted to ask you because you love music.
(23:26) You play piano.
(23:27) You play the flute?

Lucia
(23:28) I did play the I mean, piano, I could honestly say I played.
(23:32) I was supposed to be about a grade 10.
(23:34) I practice the piano all the time.
(23:36) My parents our parents didn't have to tell me to practice.
(23:39) In fact, I practice so much, my mom would tell me to stop practicing.

Lucia
(23:43) I loved it.
(23:44) But you know what it was?
(23:45) It was soothing to me.
(23:46) It was like therapy.
(23:47) I didn't love performing in front of people.

Lucia
(23:50) I don't think I have a an ear for playing.
(23:53) Like, I can just say, let's all come around the piano.
(23:56) We're gonna sing Christmas carols because I know all of those.
(23:59) I could pick out the melody, but what I really loved was playing classical music.
(24:06) Beethoven's my favorite composer to play and just reading music, I love reading music.

Lucia
(24:12) And I'll even like to look at a score of, you know, symphony and and look at it and read it, follow it along, I thought, if I don't like

Brian
(24:19) to say.

Lucia
(24:20) Yeah.
(24:20) So I can read music, but I I just love music.
(24:23) I can't get enough of music.

Brian
(24:25) But when you see, like, a a score because I don't I can't read music.
(24:29) I love music, but I've, you know, never was able to get to that stage.
(24:35) But when you read music, if you're not playing the piano, you can hear it in your head?

Lucia
(24:39) A little bit.
(24:40) A little bit.
(24:41) Like, I can I can get the general gist of it, but it depends on what the instrument is and how many instruments are put together and stuff like that?
(24:47) But, yeah, I can I can see what it's gonna sound like?

Brian
(24:49) That must be cool.

Lucia
(24:50) It is.

Brian
(24:51) It reminds me of that you see the movie Amadeus?

Lucia
(24:55) Yes.
(24:55) Oh my god.
(24:56) That was good.
(24:56) Yeah.

Brian
(24:57) And there's a scene.
(24:58) I don't know if you remember that scene when left off.
(25:01) No?
(25:02) I am thinking of the one where what was his name?
(25:05) Salieri?

Brian
(25:06) Salieri.
(25:07) Yeah.
(25:07) Salieri kinda plays the he's the voice I mean, he's the narrator of the story.

Lucia
(25:12) Mhmm.

Brian
(25:12) And he finds partitions

Lucia
(25:16) Yep.

Brian
(25:16) Of a mother partition, and and he's not supposed to look at it, but he opens it.
(25:21) And then as he opens it, we hear, like

Lucia
(25:24) hear what he sees.
(25:25) Yes.

Brian
(25:25) And he goes crazy because it's so good, and he feels like

Lucia
(25:29) Well, you can see and it's very mathematical.
(25:31) Right?
(25:31) When you study music, which it's hard because it's a language.
(25:35) You can see that things are working out, and it's like a mathematical equation.
(25:40) Doesn't mean all music is obvious.

Brian
(25:41) Mhmm.
(25:42) Mhmm.

Lucia
(25:42) But, yeah, it's it's interesting.
(25:44) Obviously, the more you know, the more it seems effortless.
(25:48) Right?
(25:48) Yeah.
(25:49) People are playing, and you think, oh, that looks so easy.

Lucia
(25:51) Or when you see a beautiful painting, you think, oh, I could do that, and you totally can't.
(25:54) Because it's just they make it look like it's easy.

Brian
(25:58) As you know, my favorite band is Radiohead.

Lucia
(26:00) Yes.

Brian
(26:01) And the so the main composers are basically, Tom York

Lucia
(26:06) Yep.

Brian
(26:06) The singer, guitar player.
(26:08) He also plays the piano, but he he's not classically trained, and he cannot read music.

Lucia
(26:13) A lot of musicians I know do not

Brian
(26:15) It's crazy.

Lucia
(26:15) Unable to.

Brian
(26:16) It's crazy.
(26:17) But the then there's Johnny Greenwood who's the the get well, guitar player initially, but he's plays the org and does modulate.
(26:27) He's he's like one of those multi Amazing.
(26:30) And he's classically trained, and now he he he does, movie scores.
(26:35) Oh, that's so good.

Brian
(26:36) And I heard an interview of both of them, and and they were talking about this.
(26:41) And Johnny Greenwood was saying he told Tom York, do not try to learn music, because what you're doing, his it it might

Lucia
(26:52) It would alter it.

Brian
(26:53) Alter it.
(26:54) Yeah.
(26:54) But in a way, the fact that Johnny Greenwood is so classically trained and can do these these, orchestral and and violins and that Arrangements.
(27:03) Both of them just kind of mesh.

Lucia
(27:05) They do.
(27:06) They probably, complement each other.
(27:09) Yep.
(27:09) That's fascinating.
(27:11) That is so cool.

Brian
(27:12) I always find it cool when, you know, like, John Lennon and Paul McCartney, but all also, you know, Ringo Starr and

Lucia
(27:21) George Harris.

Brian
(27:22) Thank you.
(27:23) You're welcome.
(27:24) That they were all great musicians and Right.
(27:27) And and somehow they they probably, you know, became better together, but also each brought something something else.
(27:35) Yeah.

Lucia
(27:36) Yeah.
(27:37) It is amazing.
(27:37) How does a band form?
(27:38) I mean, my

Brian
(27:39) I don't know.
(27:39) Actually, sadly, there's less than apparently, there's less and less bands because now we've got the ability to do music alone

Lucia
(27:47) Right.

Brian
(27:48) Much easier.

Lucia
(27:49) Somebody's in London.
(27:50) The other guy's in California.
(27:51) Yep.
(27:51) The other yeah.
(27:52) And then you I've I've sat some musicians saying, oh, wait.

Lucia
(27:55) I just need to finish this, like, riff on the drums or whatever it is.
(27:59) And they plug in and they play that, and then it gets it gets tossed into the mix.
(28:04) And there you hear it on the recording, and you're like, what?
(28:07) I was sitting there in that room, and we were we were having a chat and a cup of coffee, and then that's just a part of that sound over there.
(28:13) Not not the coffee, but the what they played.

Lucia
(28:15) Yeah.
(28:16) It's crazy.
(28:17) It's crazy.
(28:18) So, yeah, you're right.
(28:19) People don't have to perform.

Lucia
(28:21) I mean, again, back to going to concerts.
(28:22) Right?
(28:23) I love go going to concerts.
(28:24) The performers I love.
(28:25) Yep.

Lucia
(28:26) Because it's like the multisensory experience.
(28:29) It's like the visual, the audio, the like, all of it.
(28:32) You just get so much out of it than just you know?
(28:38) It's like if you're just listening, that's one thing.
(28:40) I don't know.

Lucia
(28:41) I I think it's still very important.
(28:44) I like to go to a movie, see it in a movie theater.
(28:47) Kind of old school that way.

Brian
(28:48) Yep.
(28:49) Yeah.
(28:49) Me too.
(28:49) I mean, it's a it's a it's a collective experience.
(28:52) And

Lucia
(28:53) And tuning other things out, putting your fucking phone down.
(28:56) Yeah.
(28:57) So you can actually pay attention and be, you know, immersed in what you're doing.
(29:03) I think you get so much more out of it.
(29:05) I feel for all those, you know, all the actors and the directors are saying, you know, to please go to the cinema.

Lucia
(29:12) Please.
(29:13) Please.
(29:13) Please keep that as, you know, a way to see a move motion picture is to actually go to the cinema.
(29:20) And I I agree.
(29:21) It's so fun to escapism.

Lucia
(29:23) You can't escape things.
(29:25) Not that I need to run away, but just that it's nice to put your phone down.

Brian
(29:29) Yeah.
(29:29) I know.
(29:29) Absolutely.
(29:30) Absolutely.
(29:31) I totally agree.

Brian
(29:33) I remember so when you were living with us, seeing those music videos and and, yeah, sort of doing that musical like, contemporary music education because our dad was great and loved music, but it was like

Lucia
(29:46) It's a different era.

Brian
(29:47) Jazz.
(29:47) Like, old jazz.

Lucia
(29:49) Yeah.
(29:50) But, you know, as much as he was very I don't wanna say stuck as it's a negative connotation because I don't mean that, but he was very knowledgeable and very you know, he loved his jazz era that he loved Dixie Dixieland jazz.
(30:05) But he really appreciated that anyone had a passion for music.

Brian
(30:10) It

Lucia
(30:10) didn't really matter what it was.
(30:11) He wanted you to love it as much as he loved his era that he loved, I think.
(30:16) So he was great at, you know, encouraging me to continue with my music, I guess.

Brian
(30:22) Mhmm.

Lucia
(30:23) And I'm no massive talent by any stretch, but I just got a I derived a lot of pleasure from it, and he could see that.
(30:29) So he, you know, he really wanted me to be able to study and to enjoy it, and I love that, actually.
(30:36) Yeah.
(30:37) Felt good that he had an appreciation for music.
(30:39) He was a as we know, he used to go and listen to live music, and he he just really loved it.

Brian
(30:44) Yeah.
(30:45) And he he would he would share stories about the you know, anecdotes about the recordings or, like Yeah.
(30:53) Just made it more interesting.
(30:55) It was not just music that we're listening.
(30:57) You know, it's like, okay.

Brian
(30:58) This is from Chicago.
(30:59) This is the New Orleans sound.
(31:01) And this is, like, Dick's, and this is Django Reinhardt.

Lucia
(31:04) And Yeah.
(31:05) He taught us things about it.
(31:06) I you know, it's really funny you mentioned that because I remember he would quiz you and Oliver on which saxophone was playing.
(31:14) Yes.
(31:14) It was kinda it was like pop quiz.

Lucia
(31:16) So which which instrument is it?
(31:18) And I don't do that with my grandsons now, but when I take my grandsons to school and they are so cute, and they're four and seven, Dennis and Roger, I take them to school every Tuesday morning in Vancouver.
(31:31) And as a part of it, and they say, can we put the music on?
(31:33) And so I said, okay.
(31:34) What do you wanna hear?

Lucia
(31:35) And we each kind of get a turn.
(31:37) It doesn't always work out in my favor, but we try to, you know, let the others in on what we're listening to lately, and it's very silly.
(31:46) But we have a good time with it, and I must have gotten that from our father now that we say it.

Brian
(31:51) That's interesting.
(31:52) Yeah.
(31:52) Yeah.
(31:54) Yeah.
(31:54) Yeah.

Brian
(31:54) We we do that in the car with Sam where it's That's

Lucia
(32:00) nice because it could drive you crazy.
(32:02) They like a lot of repetition.

Brian
(32:04) Kids?
(32:05) Yeah.
(32:05) Do you think it's more the case now or it's just gen generally speaking?

Lucia
(32:09) General like reputation.

Brian
(32:11) I think

Lucia
(32:12) it's really it's comforting.
(32:13) Yeah.
(32:13) That's a good way to look at it.
(32:14) It's comforting, and it's a way to really appreciate it on a deeper level.
(32:20) I mean, you know, I'm here visiting grands three grandsons who live here, and they are, well, almost three, not even two.

Lucia
(32:30) So they're right now, currently, they're under one, one and two.
(32:35) But next week, they'll be

Brian
(32:37) Three, two, and one.

Lucia
(32:38) Almost.

Brian
(32:38) Almost.

Lucia
(32:39) So, yeah, they're really very young.
(32:41) And they listen to music, and then they before it's even ever, they're saying the word again.
(32:46) Even Henry, who's not even two, says, again.
(32:49) Again.
(32:50) Again, they wanna hear it again.

Lucia
(32:51) I think they're familiar with it.
(32:53) It feels good when you know something.
(32:54) When something's unfamiliar, you're you're not as confident.
(32:57) Right?
(32:58) You're sure about it.

Lucia
(33:00) So they they wanna wrap their little brain around it and Yep.
(33:04) Get into it.
(33:05) It's I love that.
(33:07) I love how they respond to music.
(33:10) Super cute.

Brian
(33:11) It's because of kids.
(33:13) So you have four boys.

Lucia
(33:17) Yes.
(33:18) I do.
(33:18) But they're not boys anymore.

Brian
(33:19) No.
(33:20) Well, they're for me.
(33:21) Yeah.

Lucia
(33:23) Do have four sons.

Brian
(33:24) Four sons and and pretty close in age.

Lucia
(33:27) They are.
(33:27) I had four sons in seven years.
(33:29) So that's, yeah, pretty pretty close together, and they're all married.
(33:34) So I also because I raised a family of boys, I have four daughters in law, and I love them all.
(33:42) I'm really lucky.

Brian
(33:43) That's great.

Lucia
(33:44) Yeah.
(33:44) I'm super lucky.
(33:45) It was a it's kind of almost a fear I had when I had all sons.
(33:50) Uh-oh.
(33:53) Uh-oh.

Lucia
(33:54) But I'm really lucky.
(33:55) I have four wonderful daughters in law, and then they all have children now.
(34:00) They all have families of their own.
(34:01) It's just amazing.

Brian
(34:03) And you have how many grandchildren?
(34:05) 10.
(34:06) Yay.

Lucia
(34:06) I told my sons that my goal was to have 10 grandchildren, and, clearly, they pay very close attention to every single

Brian
(34:15) Good boys.
(34:15) Say no.
(34:16) Good men.

Lucia
(34:16) No.
(34:17) I have 10 and counting, I think.
(34:18) I no one's pregnant that I'm aware of, but I don't think we're gonna stop at 10.

Brian
(34:22) We're not gonna have breaking news on

Lucia
(34:24) podcast.
(34:24) Gaining momentum.
(34:25) Yeah.
(34:26) I'd love to announce twins or something like that.
(34:29) No.

Lucia
(34:30) So far, I don't have any information.

Brian
(34:32) But that's when you say it was your goal to have 10, I mean, was that actually something you consciously thought about at some point in your life?

Lucia
(34:39) Number.
(34:40) I thought, what the hell?
(34:41) You know, at that point, I probably only you know, I had six or five.

Brian
(34:44) Oh, so it was it wasn't, like, at the start?

Lucia
(34:47) It was for inspiration

Brian
(34:48) Okay.
(34:49) For

Lucia
(34:49) them.
(34:49) I was trying to inspire them.
(34:51) No.
(34:51) I mean, you know, the thing is I think four is kind of a magic number.
(34:55) I don't know why.

Lucia
(34:56) I guess we came from four from our father's side.
(34:59) Mhmm.
(35:00) And then Lucas was the eldest of four kids.
(35:03) And so that was fairly easy for us to come up with four as being our number of the number of children we wanted.

Brian
(35:12) Yep.

Lucia
(35:13) And, you know, it just kinda works out that way.
(35:16) I think it's a great number.
(35:17) It's not a great number in a car.
(35:19) You need a big ass car to get around to you know, that's the only drawback.
(35:23) There's no real perfect car there out there for driving a family.

Brian
(35:27) Because I only have one boy, I don't have the experience of having kids who have different personalities.
(35:34) And and I was wondering about that.
(35:37) How how did like, how do you approach that to see, well, you have your first kid, and then maybe you expect the sleeping pattern or the the the personalities or the interests to be the same?
(35:49) Or yeah.
(35:50) I mean, you had studied child psychology.

Lucia
(35:52) I had studied developmental psychology, and I had this idea that I celebrate individuals early on.
(36:02) I think I really enjoyed, like, being around you and Ollie and how different you two were even from waking up in the morning.
(36:10) Ollie would start off with, quick, dad.
(36:12) We're going to be late.
(36:14) And you would say, I need to sleep.

Lucia
(36:16) And it was so funny how one was, like, hyper, hyper, hyper, and you were less hyper, and there's no judgment call.
(36:24) It's just one is, you know, raring to go, and the other one's like, I'll see you later.
(36:30) And I think it's interesting.
(36:31) I think individuals are are appealing.
(36:34) So I think as I had kids of my own, I was very curious to see what made each person tick.

Lucia
(36:42) Where the differences were was gonna be interesting to me and find out each little subtle nuance that makes them who they are.
(36:50) The funny thing is they look very much alike.
(36:53) Wouldn't you say my sons are easily identifiable as being brothers?

Brian
(36:58) Yeah.
(36:58) Yeah.

Lucia
(36:59) It's obvious.
(36:59) They look so much alike.
(37:01) Yeah.
(37:01) We'll confuse them for each other.

Brian
(37:03) Yeah.
(37:03) Yeah.
(37:04) Yeah.
(37:04) Especially Jack and Jack and Will.
(37:06) Jack and Will.

Brian
(37:07) Jack and Will.
(37:07) They're lot alike.

Lucia
(37:08) And sometimes Adam says people call him Harry and

Brian
(37:11) Yep.

Lucia
(37:12) And vice versa.
(37:13) Harry corrects him and says, I'm I'm Harry, actually.
(37:16) People call him Adam.
(37:17) Adam doesn't.
(37:18) So they carry on thinking they just talk to Harry and then you know?

Lucia
(37:22) But, anyway, no.
(37:23) It's and, again, that's a difference between the personality types.
(37:26) One is more stickler for detail.
(37:28) The other one lets it slide.
(37:29) You know, I find those little personality traits super interesting.

Brian
(37:34) Yes.
(37:34) And that's, you know, it's something that I I noticed, and you it's like you never tried to format your kids into boxes or, like, you should be doing that.
(37:48) You, like, you always, I think, encourage them to go in a direction whether it's for activities or interest.
(37:58) I mean, like, for example, I know that and Lucas liked some pretty intense sports and that it's it's some of your kids also.
(38:07) And then it's it's scary as a parent, as a mom, but you support them.

Lucia
(38:12) Yeah.
(38:13) Well, sometimes there was no other way, Brian.
(38:16) You know, I was like, okay.
(38:18) I can you know, what is that?
(38:20) I I can fight this and make myself really miserable, or I can try to see what it is they like about it.

Lucia
(38:26) And, I mean, I think you and I are both thinking right now of, like, motocross racing or rally.
(38:33) Don't even know what it's called.
(38:34) I honestly I I try to tune out things that terrify me.
(38:38) Yeah.
(38:38) And I'm pretty good at it.

Lucia
(38:39) But but, yeah, I I try to figure out what makes each individual tick, what makes them interesting, what makes them happy.
(38:50) And the boys have had very you know, they've all kind of been close to each other and good friends, which makes me so happy.
(38:57) They're interested in similar careers.
(39:00) They're interested in a lot of things, but they'll go about it differently.
(39:04) And that's I find it just great.

Lucia
(39:06) Like, why not?
(39:07) You know?
(39:07) Why why do we all have to sort of march to the same drum?
(39:11) Yeah.
(39:12) I don't think we should.

Lucia
(39:12) I think the world is so much more interesting if we're diverse and we, yeah, we bring something else to the table.

Brian
(39:19) Yeah.
(39:19) And there's, like, there's that common force.
(39:23) And Yeah.
(39:24) I think the what's the nickname?
(39:26) Yeah.

Brian
(39:26) Like The force.
(39:27) The the force.
(39:28) F o u r s which is perfect, I think, for them.

Lucia
(39:31) Force because I think with each one having their individual strength Mhmm.
(39:35) If they come together, it's a much stronger force field than if it's just, okay, guys.
(39:42) We're all gonna, you know, be math geniuses, and we're all going to wear the color blue, and we're all you know, I wouldn't fight against them to try to conform to what I wanted them to do.
(39:55) In fact, I didn't.

Brian
(39:56) I have to just let things Absolutely not.
(39:58) I mean, that's, you know, what I noticed.
(40:00) And

Lucia
(40:00) I'm glad you noticed.
(40:02) Well It's pretty obvious.
(40:04) No.
(40:04) It's pretty obvious that they are strong characters, and they have their talents and their traits and their skills and their just their motivation to do things.
(40:16) I think I've learned a lot more from my sons than they ever learned from me, and I'm okay with that.

Brian
(40:25) I think that's cool.
(40:26) I'm I I mean, I think that they've you they've learned from you, like, a lot.
(40:32) Okay.
(40:32) And probably definitely more than you realize.
(40:35) But it resonates with me about when I look at Sam and learning from him.

Brian
(40:40) Mhmm.
(40:41) Because I think when when when he was younger, there's a lot of that thing like, oh, this is more like his mom, and this is more like his dad.

Lucia
(40:48) Sure.

Brian
(40:49) And as he's growing, I'm like, he's his own person.

Lucia
(40:52) Yeah.

Brian
(40:52) And, of course, there's gonna be traits from

Lucia
(40:55) Yes.

Brian
(40:55) Both of us, but it's it's fascinating to witness, woah.
(41:00) What a unique Yeah.
(41:01) You know, way to approach something.

Lucia
(41:04) It's very cool when you learn from your kids.
(41:06) I was gonna go back to something.
(41:08) Were talking about being in the car and listening to music and also the fact that I moved a lot as a child.
(41:14) One of the things that used to, I don't wanna say bother me, but that I felt that my wings were a bit clipped as a kid that I was in the backseat of the car, and and there was an adult driving.

Brian
(41:25) And

Lucia
(41:27) there was it's kind of an analogy for how I felt like I don't get to have a say.
(41:31) I don't get to decide where I'm going.
(41:35) I'm kind of I was the youngest, you know, in the first batch.
(41:38) So when I learned how to drive a car, I was super pumped to drive a car.
(41:44) And when I was a mom and it was my family, I was so excited.

Lucia
(41:49) I, like, had the keys to the car, and I, you know, was driving the car.
(41:53) And I could turn on the music I wanted to listen to.
(41:56) And, I mean, the boys can tell fill you in on that.
(41:58) I think Jack made a playlist of mom's music or something like that, which is really funny.
(42:03) You know, it's filled with Sarah McLaughlin and a lot of Lilith Fair artists and stuff like that, if you know that who that is.

Lucia
(42:09) Yeah.
(42:09) I was really happy when I got to have that privilege of being in the driver's seat.
(42:15) I'm probably a control freak maybe, but but I've just also told you that I like to let things go and and see what individuals are gonna come up with.
(42:24) But my own life, I think, potentially, because I did move a lot and because there were splits and remarriages and stuff like this, I really felt like a kid that didn't have a voice or didn't have a say, didn't have control, I guess.
(42:38) And so the car there's something about being in the car and having music and having a family.

Lucia
(42:43) And and Jack, my third old, third oldest son, said something really funny once.
(42:49) He said, mom, I don't mean this in a bad way.
(42:52) There's nothing bad and but it's just different.
(42:54) It's when you drive, we know where we're going.
(42:58) We get there on time, and everything's okay.

Lucia
(43:02) When dad takes us, we get a flat tire.
(43:05) We get we get lost.
(43:06) We have a flat tire.
(43:07) Something happens.
(43:08) It's an adventure to finally get there, and, you know, we we're missing some something.

Lucia
(43:13) But we get there, and he just said, it's not bad.
(43:16) It's not good.
(43:16) It's just it's different.
(43:17) And I was like, I love that.
(43:19) He got it.

Brian
(43:20) It's cool that he expresses it

Lucia
(43:22) also.
(43:22) So cool when he said that.
(43:23) He was little too.
(43:24) When he said that, was like, that's it.

Brian
(43:26) The communication with with with your sons, they're able to talk to I mean

Lucia
(43:31) Yeah.
(43:31) I

Brian
(43:31) hope so.
(43:32) I'm sure it's more complex than that, but that it it's yeah.
(43:35) It's not always easy.
(43:36) Right.
(43:37) But then you have that rapport with each

Lucia
(43:41) I hope so.
(43:42) I mean, you know what?
(43:43) Again, having a pack of boys as I do, and they they work together Mhmm.
(43:48) In a family business, They're they're on the phone with each other all the time.
(43:52) Yep.

Lucia
(43:52) I'm not a needy person.
(43:54) I don't have to talk to them every single day.
(43:56) You know?
(43:58) I think about them all the time.
(44:00) I would love to talk to them every day, but it's not essential for me.

Lucia
(44:04) I I think we know where we are, and we can pick up the phone and talk to each other.
(44:09) I think they're busy.
(44:10) You know?
(44:10) I don't wanna hassle them.

Brian
(44:12) You you respect their I feel that you respect their, well, their privacy and also now that they

Lucia
(44:18) They're family men now.

Brian
(44:19) Yeah.

Lucia
(44:19) Yeah.

Brian
(44:20) Yeah.
(44:20) But, of course

Lucia
(44:22) I mean, moms always want more.
(44:24) Let's let's say it's like and I think that's tough on kids when they know their mom can never get enough.
(44:29) But, no, I I, yeah, I I think we have good communication.
(44:34) I hope so.
(44:34) I hope they would agree with you.

Brian
(44:35) Oh, yeah.
(44:36) I think so.
(44:37) Definitely.
(44:38) I mean, for for me, it's interesting because the the age difference between you and me is what?

Lucia
(44:45) 13.

Brian
(44:46) Thirteen years.
(44:46) So and me and Dina is 16 years.
(44:48) Yeah.
(44:49) And then my nephews

Lucia
(44:51) Yeah.

Brian
(44:51) Well, Harry, it's seven seven years.

Lucia
(44:54) That's hilarious.

Brian
(44:55) And then Will so your your eldest, Harry, and then Will is 30

Lucia
(45:01) So, yeah, he's 32.

Brian
(45:03) Two.
(45:03) Okay.
(45:04) So so the age difference, I'm I'm

Lucia
(45:06) halfway between.

Brian
(45:07) Yes.
(45:08) Exactly.
(45:09) And I remember it I was so happy Mhmm.
(45:13) When I was an uncle at seven when Harry was born.

Lucia
(45:17) Oh, really?

Brian
(45:17) I felt so cool that I was

Lucia
(45:19) just Yeah.
(45:20) Cool.
(45:21) And then I love it.
(45:22) It's fun to have closer generations because, you know, people wait longer to have kids now too.

Brian
(45:26) Yep.
(45:26) Yeah.
(45:27) Yeah.
(45:27) And and and what was interesting in in our case is that so you you had four boys and our sister had Jenna and and and Axel.
(45:36) So there were there was really a generation of six kids Yes.

Brian
(45:40) Within, what, like, ten ten years or so.

Lucia
(45:43) Because Jenna is in between Harry and Adam, in between my two, and then Axel is a year younger than Adam.
(45:50) So they were all her kids were within my seven years of having kids.
(45:55) Yep.
(45:55) So they're all super tight.
(45:56) And they look, of course, like siblings.

Brian
(45:59) Yeah.
(45:59) And they're like super Brosens.

Lucia
(46:01) Brosens.

Brian
(46:02) Yeah.
(46:02) Because they've got Yeah.

Lucia
(46:04) Because we were two sisters married to two brothers.
(46:07) We didn't marry our brothers So if you fucking people, yeah, always look a little cross eyed.

Brian
(46:12) Yes.
(46:12) When I explained this, they kinda wait.
(46:15) What?

Lucia
(46:15) I know.
(46:16) Sounds like we're really creepy from Tennessee somewhere, but no.
(46:19) No.
(46:20) No.
(46:21) No.

Lucia
(46:21) We married men who were brothers.

Brian
(46:23) Yes.
(46:25) And, but yeah.
(46:26) So there was that generation and then then, also their their cousins.
(46:31) So, I mean, their cousins are about the same age too, I think.
(46:35) Like Yeah.

Brian
(46:36) Nico and Mona's kids.

Lucia
(46:37) That's true.

Brian
(46:38) And then, like, no kids for a while.

Lucia
(46:41) True.

Brian
(46:42) Then I had Sam.
(46:44) Yep.
(46:45) And then after Sam, it

Lucia
(46:46) just Explosion.
(46:47) Yeah.

Brian
(46:47) And even though the gen it's one generation difference.

Lucia
(46:51) Right.

Brian
(46:51) But I once I had Sam, well, then Jenna had Rumi.
(46:56) And then then, I guess, Dennis was next.
(47:00) And Yeah.
(47:01) And now there's, like, 15 between Yeah.
(47:03) 15.

Brian
(47:04) Yeah.
(47:04) My sister has and I was

Lucia
(47:06) I used to say that since we don't live in the same town.
(47:08) I'm I realized I live without extended family, oops, in Vancouver.
(47:15) And so I'm always saying my this, my that, my whatever.
(47:17) And now with you, it's like, our dad, our sister, our this.
(47:20) It's very nice to be in the same room as you.

Lucia
(47:22) Doesn't It happen often enough.
(47:24) But, yeah, having a big family and another round of family members, it's like, what could be better?

Brian
(47:32) Yeah.
(47:33) Yeah.
(47:33) Yeah.

Lucia
(47:33) So great.

Brian
(47:34) To come back on the fact of the age difference is that now Harry turned 40.

Lucia
(47:39) I know.

Brian
(47:40) And so the message I sent him was welcome to the forties club because we're we're in the same we're both in our forties.

Lucia
(47:47) You're forties.

Brian
(47:48) I'm in my forties.

Lucia
(47:49) And I'm not.

Brian
(47:53) And and just to see how my relationship with my nephews and niece developed because, you know, the older one, uncle, like uncle b, and sort of the young uncle.
(48:07) And then suddenly and I think having kids is was definitely, like, a turning point where where we're, like, almost the same generation and that are it's very cool.
(48:19) I really appreciate how they you know, it's like I I'm I'm still the uncle, but but we can talk a bit more in terms of they can give me like peers.
(48:32) Exactly.
(48:33) Exactly.

Lucia
(48:34) And then because you share some common interests like your love of sports.

Brian
(48:38) Yes.
(48:39) Definitely.

Lucia
(48:40) It's very good.
(48:41) It's very good for you to have one another because, again, you grew up I mean, you were born in The States, but you grew up here in Switzerland.
(48:48) And my boys were born and mostly lived in North America.
(48:53) They have that fondness for sports too.

Brian
(48:56) And Yep.

Lucia
(48:57) And so you've got that connecting you

Brian
(48:59) Absolutely.
(49:00) Too.

Lucia
(49:00) I mean, you've got other interests that you share, I know, but I think sports really solidifies that relationship.

Brian
(49:06) Oh, also, we both lost our dads and and, unfortunately Much to their grandfather.
(49:12) But Yeah.
(49:12) It's the the the sport, you know, especially the Minnesota sports, I think, of of dad Yeah.
(49:18) First.
(49:18) And then very often when something happens in Minnesota sports, I get a text from Harry.

Lucia
(49:23) Oh, good.

Brian
(49:25) And so so but no.
(49:28) Yeah.
(49:28) Sports for that is is just great.

Lucia
(49:31) It is good.
(49:31) And my grandson, Dennis

Brian
(49:33) Yes.
(49:33) Will be there too.
(49:34) Gifted.

Lucia
(49:35) He he's he's a really phenomenal little athlete.
(49:38) Super coordinated.
(49:40) I'm so impressed by him.
(49:41) I mean, he was running on the soccer field, and he had this look.
(49:44) I'm so sad.

Lucia
(49:45) I did I didn't catch it, like, as taking a photo of him, but he had, like, you know, he was going for the ball, and you could see he would meant it.
(49:54) It wasn't just like I'm gonna go kick that ball that's rolling over there.
(49:57) It was, like, so determined to get it.
(49:59) But, yeah, the love of sports thing is really very fun to see.
(50:03) And being a team player

Brian
(50:04) Yes.
(50:04) Also Yeah.

Lucia
(50:06) Being an individual.
(50:07) Like, Jack liked playing basketball.
(50:10) He he played on a little basketball league too.
(50:13) I mean, I don't I shouldn't say little.
(50:14) They were they were men, but he did do some team sport.

Brian
(50:18) He did rugby.

Lucia
(50:19) You know?
(50:19) He did rugby.
(50:20) They all four of my sons played rugby of some form or other.
(50:23) Thankfully, not, you know, till to the point where they got injured too terribly or anything as a result because it's, yeah, it's

Brian
(50:30) a Yeah.
(50:31) Ears, nose.

Lucia
(50:32) Ears, nose, and does these things.
(50:33) Mean, Willbrooke is humorous, but, and had a concussion as a result of rugby.
(50:39) But one of three, I think Will has had three concussions.
(50:42) But the point of individual sports versus team sports, I think Adam is a big fan of team sports.
(50:48) He's a great team player.

Lucia
(50:49) He loves people.
(50:50) He loves he gets a charge out of being around people.
(50:53) He's a bit of an extrovert.
(50:54) He's actually also a bit needing downtime.
(50:57) He has to shut down.

Lucia
(50:59) And it's interesting to watch that.
(51:01) Like, he's very good.
(51:02) He's very athletic too, but he definitely got a lot out of playing on a team.
(51:07) And then Jack loves being around people, and he's very engaging socially.
(51:13) His sports that he does, he relies on himself.

Lucia
(51:16) You know, he he's you know, we we mentioned the rally motocross and stuff like that.
(51:24) He's not racing against anyone.
(51:27) He I mean, he's racing against everyone, but he's really in it for himself.
(51:30) He's Yep.
(51:31) He's trying to achieve his own goal, which is pretty great.

Lucia
(51:35) And then Will did sort of both, but he's a phenomenal skier.

Brian
(51:40) Mhmm.

Lucia
(51:40) And he can just ski all day by himself and probably get what he needs out of it.
(51:44) You know?
(51:45) Like, some people need to you you like to play baseball, but you need all your other team members in order to go and play baseball.
(51:51) Right?
(51:52) So I I always feel like it must be cool to be a part of a team.

Lucia
(51:56) I'm not a great team player.
(51:57) I mean, I I never really was very agile or coordinated on a team.
(52:02) But, yeah, it's interesting being a member of a family.
(52:05) Yeah.
(52:05) You have to be a team player to a certain degree.

Brian
(52:07) Yeah.
(52:08) And and and the importance of a coach also.

Lucia
(52:11) A family, the coach.

Brian
(52:12) Yeah.
(52:12) She needs to coach.
(52:13) Be

Lucia
(52:13) manager or the the gal that cut the oranges for,

Brian
(52:16) you know,

Lucia
(52:16) breaks for the boys teams.
(52:19) But, no, I I I think, you know, sports are important.
(52:22) There's a lot that comes out of sports.

Brian
(52:24) Yeah.
(52:24) Yeah.
(52:25) And, I mean and if it's not sports and, you know, being part of a dance, well, dance is a sport, really, because it's just what you have to yeah.
(52:33) Having something else from school or Extracurricular.
(52:38) Extracurricular.

Brian
(52:39) Yeah.

Lucia
(52:40) Well, we said music or band or Yep.
(52:42) You know, if you're a member of a chorus choir.

Brian
(52:44) Yep.
(52:45) Like, our our brother was part of the acapella

Lucia
(52:48) Singing group at Harvard.
(52:50) Yeah.
(52:50) Did in

Brian
(52:51) The Dinantonics.

Lucia
(52:51) Gorgeous voice all over.
(52:53) He really I mean, he speaks well.
(52:55) He sings well.
(52:56) Wow.
(52:57) So a real gift.

Brian
(52:57) Have you seen him live with the Dinantonics?

Lucia
(53:00) I never got to see him live.

Brian
(53:01) It's really cool.
(53:02) I got to see him at at Harvard.
(53:05) Nice.
(53:05) Oh, it was so cool.
(53:06) I mean, it was So beautiful.

Brian
(53:08) In one of those auditoriums, and they're singing.
(53:11) And and the students going like,

Lucia
(53:13) hey, Ollie.
(53:14) Oh, how cute.

Brian
(53:16) And the choreography and all.
(53:18) And

Lucia
(53:19) I would have loved to have heard him sing live.
(53:21) That's too bad.
(53:22) I did miss that.

Brian
(53:23) And and karaoke?
(53:24) You never did karaoke with Volley?

Lucia
(53:26) No.
(53:26) And he sang at Adam and Caitlin's wedding.
(53:30) And somehow, I think I was outside.
(53:32) He was inside.
(53:33) I don't know.

Lucia
(53:34) I missed it.
(53:34) I didn't remember that.
(53:35) He's sang isn't she lovely Oh.
(53:37) To Jenna.
(53:38) No.

Lucia
(53:38) He sang it to Jenna.
(53:39) Not it

Brian
(53:39) wasn't Jenna.
(53:40) Okay.
(53:40) Was to

Lucia
(53:41) Jenna and Mert's wedding, and he's sang isn't she lovely.
(53:44) And I missed it like an idiot.
(53:45) I don't know.
(53:46) I was doing something.

Brian
(53:47) I'm so ashamed I don't remember.

Lucia
(53:49) I'm so ashamed I didn't Oh.

Brian
(53:50) Pay attention.
(53:51) Yeah.
(53:51) Well, so sorry, Ollie.

Lucia
(53:52) Paid attention if I heard I know.
(53:54) Sorry.

Brian
(53:54) Yeah.
(53:54) Sorry.

Lucia
(53:56) But yeah.
(53:56) I mean, I've definitely listened to, what was the the Angelina polyester uniform?
(54:02) One of the songs, and it was about he was in love with the Angelina polyester uniform.
(54:07) She worked at the the drive through at McDonald's, I think it was.
(54:11) He would like to call her Patty or something.

Lucia
(54:14) Anyway, no.
(54:15) I listened to his his singing on this Harvard Dinotronics CDs, I think.

Brian
(54:21) Yep.
(54:21) When we did karaoke in in London, it's it's so fun because he gets so into it.
(54:27) Picking up.
(54:27) And just that, you know, doing the levels and the release and like, oh, and then god.

Lucia
(54:34) Never ever sang

Brian
(54:36) like a period.

Lucia
(54:37) I know.
(54:38) I think I would probably well, I would hope that I would be as ridiculous as when Cameron Diaz sings super badly in it's my best friend's wedding or something like that.

Brian
(54:48) Yeah.
(54:48) I don't remember that singing.

Lucia
(54:50) God.
(54:50) And she's brilliant because she sings in this maybe really, really badly, but everyone's laughing with her because it sucks so badly.
(54:58) But she's like, it's it's funny.
(55:01) I think I'd probably I'd hope I'd be funny about it, but I know it would sound awful.
(55:05) But, yeah, to be able to sing must be a wonderful thing.

Brian
(55:08) Yeah.
(55:09) Yeah.
(55:09) Yeah.
(55:09) I I wish I could.
(55:11) I did in Minneapolis, there was a a bar close to MCAD, the art school where I went.

Brian
(55:17) It was called Porter's.
(55:19) Was a bit of a die dive bar, and we played darts there and and, you know, bought, like, $3 pitchers of beer.
(55:26) And it was just one of those late night hangouts we like to go to with with my friends Matt and Steve.
(55:33) Yep.
(55:33) And one one evening was karaoke night, and we we had, like, a couple drinks in us and felt like, yeah.

Brian
(55:41) You know, let's do karaoke.
(55:43) And my roommate Steve did a Pearl Jam song.
(55:48) Yeah.
(55:48) Daughter really nailed it.
(55:51) Mhmm.

Brian
(55:52) And then I did Little Red Corvette.

Lucia
(55:54) Oh, speaking of Prince.

Brian
(55:56) Yes.
(55:56) And, I mean, that's not an easy song to sing.
(56:00) And then I I I I just went overboard kind of knowing I wouldn't nail it.
(56:07) And, you know, Prince gets really into the yeah.
(56:10) I hadn't before I sang the song, didn't remember how racy it was and a bit Yeah.

Brian
(56:17) And I remember seeing Steve and Matt, like, rolling on the floor laughing.
(56:23) Literally, they just loved it.
(56:26) And That's crazy.
(56:27) Making I I was like, I don't care.
(56:30) This is gonna be

Lucia
(56:31) That's how you gotta do it,

Brian
(56:32) I think.
(56:33) Yep.
(56:33) And then I I I go back, and there was another table of about 12 people, and they were laughing.
(56:39) And I had a few drinks in them too.
(56:41) And a girl comes, a woman comes, and she hands me a piece of paper.

Brian
(56:47) And on it, it was written straight, bi, or gay.
(56:51) Oh.
(56:52) And I look at that and I say, oh, yeah.
(56:54) I I'm straight, but I've got a girlfriend, which I did at the time.
(56:57) Yeah.

Brian
(56:57) And and she goes like, oh, no.
(56:58) No.
(56:59) It's not for me.
(56:59) It's for him.
(57:00) And then she points to a guy, and he waves at me.

Brian
(57:03) I was like, oh, okay.
(57:05) So I was flattered, but I guess my prince cover Well, it

Lucia
(57:09) could be confusing, Brian.

Brian
(57:11) Yeah.
(57:11) It

Lucia
(57:11) could be

Brian
(57:12) confusing because

Lucia
(57:13) you chose that song.
(57:14) But that I mean, I think it's really to not be inhibited

Brian
(57:18) by Yes.

Lucia
(57:19) You know, to sort of you look at a performer.
(57:22) I mean, they have so many shows now, right, in North America.
(57:25) I don't know if they're here.
(57:25) The Voice?

Brian
(57:26) Yes.
(57:26) We've got we've got all of them.

Lucia
(57:28) Yeah.
(57:28) Shows.
(57:29) And I think these young kids are so brave to go out on, like, national or international TV and sing to a very wide audience than to just belt it.
(57:42) I like to have the ability to just let your you know, open up your throat and just belt this music that somebody else has written usually, and it's incredible.
(57:52) And some of those judges are very encouraging and supportive, and some of them are nasty.

Lucia
(57:57) Mhmm.
(57:58) But I think that would be terrifying.
(58:00) Something about having an instrument you can kind of hide behind

Brian
(58:03) Yeah.

Lucia
(58:04) Playing an instrument.
(58:05) But if it's your voice, you're, like, staring at the audience.
(58:07) You can see their eyeballs looking at you, and I think it would be really scary.

Brian
(58:11) Yep.
(58:12) Yep.
(58:13) You you you're well, you're friends with Sarah McLaughlin.
(58:17) Yeah.
(58:17) Do you talk about performing?

Brian
(58:20) And and

Lucia
(58:21) We do talk about performing.
(58:22) She she gets a big rush out of it.
(58:26) She's Yeah.

Brian
(58:27) Can imagine.
(58:27) Must be

Lucia
(58:28) I mean, she's speaking of voices.
(58:30) She's got one of the most amazing sounds.
(58:34) Her voice is spectacularly beautiful.
(58:36) In fact, I listened to a podcast the other night, and it was with do you know Nora Jones?

Brian
(58:41) Yes.
(58:42) Of course.

Lucia
(58:42) She has, I've forgotten the title of her podcast.
(58:45) We'll look it up, but she it's like, let me play with you or something like that.
(58:50) Anyway Mhmm.
(58:51) She interviews Sarah, and then she starts to sing with her.
(58:55) She asks for permission, Sarah's all over it.

Lucia
(58:57) She's just like, yeah.
(58:58) Do as much or as little as you want.
(59:00) She's she's a very open person.
(59:02) She's very kind, and she has a music school.
(59:05) She has three music schools, but she gets a huge rush out of performing.

Lucia
(59:11) And she said it's just the most amazing thing.
(59:13) And she's she speaks well.
(59:15) She says it's more awkward for her to speak to an audience, I think it is, than to sing to an audience.
(59:21) To sing, that means usually she's written and worked.
(59:24) She's performed it.

Lucia
(59:25) She's practiced.
(59:26) She's very she went to music school and stuff like that, but she she's very gifted.
(59:33) And the sound that comes out is just it's life altering.
(59:37) It's beautiful.
(59:38) So, yeah, she gets a lot out of it.

Lucia
(59:40) But I think to look at eyes looking at you, it would be terrifying.
(59:43) Or we both know you've met him too is Brian Adams.
(59:45) He's one of the really great singers.
(59:48) He's always on.
(59:50) He's never off key.

Lucia
(59:51) He has a rasp in his voice that's interesting.
(59:56) As one of my sons said, it was Will said, how come he sings like this?
(1:00:00) He doesn't talk like this.
(1:00:01) And it's like, it's true.
(1:00:02) He doesn't rasp when he speaks, but his his musical vocal sound is very raspy.

Lucia
(1:00:08) But he's always on, and he just he was lucky he could sing.

Brian
(1:00:12) It's it it looks like it's so natural to him.
(1:00:15) I remember seeing in Geneva Yeah.
(1:00:19) When we saw that concert and so cool to meet him before that.
(1:00:23) Yeah.
(1:00:24) Can't say that it it looks easy for him.

Lucia
(1:00:27) It's so easy

Brian
(1:00:27) for It's so natural.

Lucia
(1:00:28) He doesn't look he says he doesn't really get stage fright.

Brian
(1:00:32) Yeah.

Lucia
(1:00:32) He's in command as a performer.
(1:00:35) He's a very generous performer.

Brian
(1:00:36) He

Lucia
(1:00:38) just turned 66, and he's still selling out, like, Madison Square Gardens not that long ago.
(1:00:45) That's huge.
(1:00:46) That's massive.
(1:00:48) He can fill an auditorium at his age, and he's got an enormous amount of energy.
(1:00:54) It's incredible.

Lucia
(1:00:56) Sarah's had trouble with her voice.
(1:00:58) She's she's gotten a couple of colds.
(1:01:00) It's bothered her voice.
(1:01:01) She's had to take time off.
(1:01:02) It's been a lot of work, and she's a very fit person.

Lucia
(1:01:06) You know?
(1:01:06) She's in great phenomenal shape.
(1:01:08) She loves to she's got a very full life.
(1:01:10) She has two daughters and a a wide circle of friends, and she's she does a lot.
(1:01:16) Actually, we walk our dogs together occasionally.

Lucia
(1:01:18) She's a real outdoorsy purse.
(1:01:20) She surfs.
(1:01:21) She's a very cool person.
(1:01:22) But I think to have a complete life and as well be a performer, I don't get it.
(1:01:26) I don't understand.

Lucia
(1:01:27) They're not normal.
(1:01:28) Yep.
(1:01:29) They're from somewhere else.

Brian
(1:01:30) They're from somewhere else.
(1:01:31) Totally.
(1:01:32) But, yeah, I know a big huge respect for for, yeah, for these artists.
(1:01:39) And and and you and you see in in concert those who who give more and and and maybe they enjoy it or maybe it's more natural to them.
(1:01:48) Like, I know I I can tell sometimes when you see performers on stage where Sure.

Brian
(1:01:53) They'd rather be somewhere else.
(1:01:55) And I True.
(1:01:56) I don't think it's necessarily that they're dismissive about it, but maybe you I I don't know.

Lucia
(1:02:01) They just don't have the stage presence, maybe.
(1:02:03) Or you know?
(1:02:04) I mean, we all have an off night, I guess, or, like, we're in a bad mood or something's, you know, not right.
(1:02:09) But I've heard of performers who don't really introduce their band.

Brian
(1:02:14) They don't

Lucia
(1:02:14) you know, they want I mean, back to what we're saying about individuals and so forth, I really do do think it's cool to be an individual, but I also believe in good manners.
(1:02:22) You know?
(1:02:22) And and people are paying a lot of money nowadays to attend a concert.
(1:02:28) And, it's an enormous privilege to see, you know, your fans, I would think.

Brian
(1:02:35) Yes.

Lucia
(1:02:35) And to have that environment of people singing the music that you've composed pretty much in isolation.
(1:02:42) A lot of people have to sit and and, you know, work very, very hard to come out with a song And then to be on a stage and have a filled auditorium singing the song back to you must be amazing.
(1:02:54) So it seems like, yeah, the least you could do is maybe introduce your band or you know?
(1:02:59) I don't know.
(1:03:00) But, again, we're all individuals.

Lucia
(1:03:02) What the hell?

Brian
(1:03:02) Yep.
(1:03:03) Yeah.

Lucia
(1:03:03) But I have to say I I got to see Taylor Swift last year on your birthday.

Brian
(1:03:09) Oh oh, like, December 6.

Lucia
(1:03:11) It was her I think it was December 6, and it was, like, her second to last show of her eras tour.
(1:03:16) And I'm so glad I got to see it.
(1:03:18) It was unbelievable that that one what that one woman does.
(1:03:22) It's incredible.

Brian
(1:03:23) And she plays this for hours.

Lucia
(1:03:25) Know?
(1:03:25) For at least three and a half hours.
(1:03:26) Nuts.
(1:03:28) Nonstop.
(1:03:29) Changes of, you know, costumes and this and that.

Lucia
(1:03:31) I mean, there's gonna there's a movie out now about this tour, which will be interesting to see.
(1:03:37) But I just can't believe the per you know, performing, composing, singing, piano.
(1:03:44) And then she has this little segment within the show of the Eris tour that it's like it's different every night that she would do.
(1:03:52) I just I don't the her body of work is just incredible.

Brian
(1:03:57) And and she's bigger than I mean, she's just huge.
(1:04:02) She seems normal in a way.
(1:04:04) That's that's what

Lucia
(1:04:05) She's polite to people from what I've Yeah.
(1:04:07) I don't know.
(1:04:08) But is she she's there's nothing really shocking.
(1:04:11) She doesn't sort of, you know, pull a no show or scandalize anyone with something horrendous.
(1:04:16) Like, she's always been pretty consistent.

Lucia
(1:04:18) I saw her perform live.
(1:04:19) I went I got to go to one Grammys award show, which was really fun.
(1:04:24) There were a lot of cool performers in that and to see because they set up the stage in in two halves.
(1:04:30) So while they're having a commercial break and setting up the other stage, there's a performance going on, and then you see the artists running around and talking to various people.
(1:04:38) Like, Paul McCartney was there and, you know, like and Taylor Swift was quite a bit younger, and she just was so slick as a young person.

Lucia
(1:04:46) Like, someone else her her age would probably been flicking their hair around and just feeling you know, you just she just seems so solid, sort of knows her knows herself really well, I guess.
(1:04:56) I don't know.
(1:04:57) It's really fascinating.
(1:04:58) They're people, but they're legends.

Brian
(1:05:01) You know?
(1:05:01) That's crazy.
(1:05:08) What I do sometimes is to ask the guest, do you have a question for me?

Lucia
(1:05:12) Question for you.

Brian
(1:05:14) Because it's all about me.

Lucia
(1:05:16) It's I just wanna talk about myself.
(1:05:18) You know?
(1:05:18) Wow.
(1:05:20) That's it.
(1:05:21) I should have thought of something because I have listened to your podcast.

Lucia
(1:05:25) I don't know.
(1:05:25) Do you have any predictions for my future?

Brian
(1:05:28) For your future?
(1:05:29) Yeah.
(1:05:29) More grandchildren.
(1:05:30) Okay.

Lucia
(1:05:31) That was an easy one.
(1:05:32) I set you up for that.

Brian
(1:05:33) My children are No.
(1:05:35) I mean, something that's great is that there's, like, a a summer home well, not just a summer home, but just a chance to have

Lucia
(1:05:44) A gathering place.

Brian
(1:05:45) Yep.
(1:05:46) So a lot of happy moments.
(1:05:48) And

Lucia
(1:05:48) I would love for this to come to fruition.
(1:05:51) It has been under construction, actually, for some time.
(1:05:54) So, yes, it's not the crystal ball that you have in front of you.
(1:05:57) You've been hearing me talk about

Brian
(1:05:58) No.
(1:05:58) No.
(1:05:58) But I

Lucia
(1:05:59) see it.

Brian
(1:05:59) I can see it.

Lucia
(1:06:00) So we're building on a little tiny island off the coast of the West Coast Of Vancouver.
(1:06:06) Not Vancouver Island, but in between Vancouver and Vancouver Island.
(1:06:10) I hope that we'll be creating a lot of family memories, and I certainly hope you'll be bringing Sam.
(1:06:15) I'd

Brian
(1:06:15) love him to be

Lucia
(1:06:16) a part of this place.

Brian
(1:06:17) And Sam loves water.

Lucia
(1:06:19) Oh, yeah.
(1:06:19) He's a little fish.

Brian
(1:06:20) He's a little fish.

Lucia
(1:06:21) He can swim in the ocean.
(1:06:22) It'll be amazing.
(1:06:23) Yeah.
(1:06:24) I think that'll be good.
(1:06:25) And do you okay.

Lucia
(1:06:26) So in part b of my question, since your name begins with the letter b, What do you see happening for your future?

Brian
(1:06:34) Well, okay.
(1:06:36) That's a loaded question.
(1:06:37) Well, I mean, I'm I'm I'm lucky that I'm I'm working with our sister

Lucia
(1:06:44) Yeah.

Brian
(1:06:45) At, GBL Stables, and my sister does dressage.
(1:06:49) And we had the chance of hosting the European championship of dressage.
(1:06:53) And I had the chance to develop that a little more into, a documentary on dressage and on Jeeva.
(1:06:59) And it's a huge project.
(1:07:02) I'm very lucky that I have the support of of her sister, of my, Ian, and and and and the and the family.

Brian
(1:07:10) And the Dressage community are really good people and interesting people.

Lucia
(1:07:14) Amazing.
(1:07:15) Especially because you don't ride horses yourself.

Brian
(1:07:17) I don't ride horses, which makes it interesting also because my perspective is a bit different.
(1:07:22) So I I have an appreciation for for the sport, but it's through the interviews of riders and people in the dressage world, trainers, grooms.
(1:07:33) And, of course, Dina has been giving me great insights, that bond with horses.
(1:07:37) That's really And What it's all about.

Lucia
(1:07:40) They probably have to explain it better because knowing that you don't ride, you're not a rider, you don't have what they call the virus.
(1:07:48) Yeah.
(1:07:48) I think it's important to let people talk about what they're good at and stuff like that.
(1:07:53) So if you don't ride, you're not a rider, you don't you haven't caught that virus, they have to explain it in a way.
(1:08:00) And they're probably so passionate about it.

Lucia
(1:08:03) You're you you bring it out of them, which is very cool.

Brian
(1:08:06) Yeah.
(1:08:06) It it it's really cool, and I always try to have somebody with me that knows more about it so that Right.
(1:08:14) You know, I don't wanna, like, be a complete doofus.
(1:08:17) No.
(1:08:17) You're not.

Brian
(1:08:18) But

Lucia
(1:08:19) But, yeah, it helps.

Brian
(1:08:20) Yeah.
(1:08:21) And then it becomes what I love with interviews and also the this podcast is I've always liked conversations that go beyond sort of a purpose.
(1:08:31) It's not just, you know, asking a a an athlete like, woah.
(1:08:34) How, you know, how do you feel about winning the gold medal?

Lucia
(1:08:38) It's Yes.

Brian
(1:08:38) It's more it goes beyond that, and that's those human stories.
(1:08:43) And in this case, also, we add the animal element.
(1:08:46) It's pretty interesting.

Lucia
(1:08:47) It's really interesting.

Brian
(1:08:49) So that I'm excited about.
(1:08:50) And then, yeah, just seeing, you know, just seeing Sam, my son, develop and grow and and the family yeah.
(1:09:02) Just living life and Right.
(1:09:04) Feeling

Lucia
(1:09:05) It's exciting.

Brian
(1:09:06) Staying curious and and also trying not to get too angry about changes.

Lucia
(1:09:12) Well, change is scary.
(1:09:13) Right?

Brian
(1:09:13) It is scary.

Lucia
(1:09:14) It is scary.
(1:09:15) Time adapting to new, and we have a lot of things in the world that are new.
(1:09:19) Yeah.
(1:09:19) They're shifting, and it makes us not feel like we're on stable ground sometimes.

Brian
(1:09:23) Definitely.
(1:09:24) Maybe quickly, and I think it's cool to end on that, is that in our communication, because we haven't lived together and even in the same time zone Mhmm.
(1:09:33) I remember we used to write a lot of emails to each other, and now we leave each other, voice notes.

Lucia
(1:09:38) Right.

Brian
(1:09:39) Long voice notes.
(1:09:40) Yes.
(1:09:40) Often for me, long.
(1:09:41) But when we call them

Lucia
(1:09:43) podcasts Podcasts.
(1:09:44) They're like nano you know, podcast to our like like, it's a monologue.

Brian
(1:09:49) Yeah.
(1:09:49) Yeah.
(1:09:49) Yeah.
(1:09:50) Sometimes yeah.

Lucia
(1:09:51) Yeah.
(1:09:51) Absorb it when they're ready to, which is also kind of cool.
(1:09:54) When you have the time, again, the focus, you can listen to it when you're ready to receive this wisdom, these pearls of wisdom coming from the other person.
(1:10:03) No.
(1:10:03) But it it is It's a modern way of communicating.

Brian
(1:10:06) Yeah.
(1:10:06) It's one of the ways.
(1:10:07) There's so many ways, but for you know, it's like for us, it works.

Lucia
(1:10:11) I agree.

Brian
(1:10:12) And there's, you know, there's like, I have a couple friends with who it works, and I know not everybody's into into that.
(1:10:18) But for us, it's really cool.

Lucia
(1:10:20) So We do it on our dog walking.

Brian
(1:10:21) We do it on our dog walking, and this this podcast is kind of a natural I know.
(1:10:27) Essentially, I'm look

Lucia
(1:10:28) at you while I'm talking to you.
(1:10:29) Usually, I'm looking at stuff, and I'm you know, it's we call it our plop of the morning.

Brian
(1:10:34) Yeah.
(1:10:34) The plop of the morning.

Lucia
(1:10:35) Their duty.
(1:10:36) But yeah.
(1:10:37) No.
(1:10:37) It's thanks thanks for inviting me.

Brian
(1:10:38) Glad you're It's so cool.

Lucia
(1:10:40) My first time to ever do a podcast.

Brian
(1:10:42) Yeah.
(1:10:43) Cool.
(1:10:44) You're I'm super happy.
(1:10:46) Thank you so much, Lucia, my godmom, my sister.

Lucia
(1:10:50) Great role to play.
(1:10:52) Thanks.

Brian
(1:10:53) Talk to you soon.
(1:10:54) Okay.

Lucia
(1:10:54) Bye for now, I always say.
(1:10:56) In all directions.