Dans Tous Les Sens
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Dans Tous Les Sens
Ep. 015 - Daniel's Refuge
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Daniel and Brian met in 2022. They had coffee, talked about life, their mutual love for video-making and editing, and the gentle art of shooting interviews while staying cool when s**t hits the fan. A deep dive into the worlds of two late-blooming creatives, united by a love of storytelling, human stories… and guacamole 🥑
First DTLS episode en anglais !
Brian
(0:0) This is completely unplanned.
(0:02) We had talked about doing a podcast a while ago, and, then we we were on a shoot this morning
Daniel
(0:10) Yeah.
Brian
(0:10) At FIBA.
(0:11) And then we had, a coffee afterwards, and Mhmm.
(0:15) We said, let's do a podcast.
Daniel
(0:17) Yeah.
(0:17) In the marina.
(0:19) Really nice place.
Brian
(0:19) In Versoir, Port Joisel.
(0:21) Very nice place.
Daniel
(0:22) Beautiful day.
Brian
(0:23) It it is a beautiful day.
(0:25) We're we're between shoots because this morning, we had a we had a shoot, then maybe maybe tonight.
Daniel
(0:33) Yeah.
Brian
(0:34) We're we're waiting for confirmation.
(0:36) So while we're waiting for confirmation, well, let's record a podcast.
Daniel
(0:42) In all directions.
Brian
(0:47) Well, first of all, thank you for accepting, especially on
Daniel
(0:54) such short notice.
Brian
(0:56) This is the first episode I'm doing in English.
(0:59) So it's supposed to be a bilingual podcast, but I've done 12 episodes in French or so.
(1:06) So Mhmm.
(1:07) You're the first one.
Daniel
(1:08) Yeah.
(1:09) It's a pleasure to be here with my friend Brian.
(1:12) And, yeah, it's gonna be weird for me speak fully in English in because I'm from Spain, but I will do the best that I can.
Brian
(1:23) You'll do you'll do great.
(1:25) So I always start with the same question
Daniel
(1:29) Mhmm.
Brian
(1:29) Is, do you remember how we met or when we met?
Daniel
(1:34) Actually, yesterday, we were in the place that we met the first time.
(1:38) Mhmm.
(1:39) And was basically because I was planning to move to Switzerland to look for opportunities here.
(1:47) And and a friend that we work together with, she I was asking for people that she knows from here, from Switzerland.
(1:59) And Rebecca, in this case, told me, ah, you can write to Brian or you can write to Anna.
Daniel
(2:06) That is another friend.
(2:08) And they for sure, they will be happy to introduce you, how it works in Switzerland.
(2:14) And, yeah, straight away, I wrote you a mail in that moment.
(2:18) This was already few years ago.
(2:21) And you straightaway answered to me and tell, ah, you want, I can help you with this or with that.
Daniel
(2:27) These are more or less the rates for for videographers and what you can ask.
(2:34) And you replied to that.
(2:36) But after that, I was not really moving to Switzerland because I was just having so much stuff going in my life.
(2:43) And but, yeah, I came back.
(2:45) And once I was here in Geneva, I wrote you, you want to have a coffee?
Daniel
(2:50) And you said, yeah.
(2:51) Let's do it.
(2:51) And how it's a thing.
(2:53) That was like that was it.
(2:55) And we had a really lovely coffee in a commercial center.
Daniel
(3:00) And in that moment, we discussed about life.
(3:04) And, actually, we end up knowing that we were working kind of together in the IOC.
(3:10) And and in the end, I think that was, like, a perfect match.
(3:14) Yep.
(3:15) And, yeah, and we start working together.
Daniel
(3:18) Absolutely.
Brian
(3:18) Yeah.
(3:19) Yeah.
(3:19) So the the context is that, you worked with the Olympic Channel, in Madrid, and, I worked at the IOC, so the International Olympic Committee.
(3:34) So we were probably on email chains together without knowing.
(3:39) We crossed paths.
Brian
(3:40) We were both in South Korea at the same time at the PyeongChang Winter Olympics.
Daniel
(3:47) Mhmm.
Brian
(3:48) We were just talking about that.
(3:50) Actually, yeah, there's a photo on my wall
Daniel
(3:51) of of I can see that.
Brian
(3:53) The luge luge luge.
(3:55) I don't know how you say somebody.
Daniel
(3:56) Yeah.
(3:57) Luge.
Brian
(3:57) Luge.
(3:58) Yeah.
(3:59) And so we weren't physically at the same place.
(4:05) We weren't working on the same projects, but we were both in well, in the video world and and, previously to working at the IOC, I was a a videographer.
(4:17) Then I I quit the filming part because it just was too technical for me.
Brian
(4:24) And how did you get started in in filmmaking and video, like, sort of in a nutshell?
(4:31) How how did you fall in love with this medium?
Daniel
(4:34) It's a long story, but I will try to do it shorter.
(4:40) But, basically, I was a bit lost when I was start starting the life and studying and thinking about what I want to do.
(4:50) And I don't know.
(4:52) It was in that moment that I was not ready or I I was not able to go to university, and I was like, okay.
(5:01) Let's go for more technical studies.
Daniel
(5:03) And I was looking for the options that I had in that moment, and I said, okay.
(5:08) Photography and video, these are things that they are creative.
(5:12) I didn't know in that moment if I was really a creative person or not, But I did the course.
(5:20) It was two years, and I studied sound.
(5:23) I studied video.
Daniel
(5:24) I studied analog and photography and even how to do light for a studio, everything, kind of a mix of everything.
(5:34) And, actually, I fall in love with first photography because it was the thing that I liked the most was basically developing roles, pictures, working with analog, with the chemicals was something really special for me.
(5:49) And after that, I was just, I don't know, falling in love with that and was kind of the beginning of the story that after that, I went to Madrid to do the the internship, and I fall in love with video.
(6:05) I was a photographer of Ifema.
(6:07) That is the main place of events in Madrid, and I was the main photographer.
Daniel
(6:13) But I was like I like photography, but I think I love more to do the making of or shooting or doing more video stuff.
(6:22) And and, yeah, I started to work in Madrid.
(6:26) After that, I did a master of editing.
(6:29) And in that moment, I realized, okay.
(6:31) This is my thing.
Daniel
(6:32) I love I think I'm really good in editing.
(6:36) And slowly, I got my year, and I got opportunity to work in a sport for the Olympic channel.
(6:43) And in that moment, I think everything kind of matched with my life.
(6:48) Like, okay.
(6:49) I was doing something creative and doing videography and photography was kind of my thing.
Brian
(6:55) So it's interesting because, yeah, you you said you didn't know you were creative.
(7:02) Like, but when you were a child, do you remember, like, drawing or or being interested in in creative fields, or it's really something that just happened later in your life?
Daniel
(7:14) I think I was a really creative child or kid, but I didn't know about it.
(7:20) I was like I don't know.
(7:22) When you are a kid, you draw all the time.
(7:24) I was really good in drawing, but I don't know.
(7:27) When you start to study or going to the school and after to the high school, you kind of lose that because, I don't know, all the studies that you do is, like, you need to stop drawing when you
Brian
(7:39) are Yeah.
Daniel
(7:40) In the school.
(7:40) And and in the end, it's kind of natural that you start to lose all that stuff, and you end up to a point that you think, I don't know if I'm creative or not.
(7:50) I was for example, something that I can tell you is that as a kid, I was watching more video clips than cartoons.
(7:59) I would love to spend my days watching trailers of movies, video clips of music.
(8:06) I I grew up with MTV.
Daniel
(8:09) Yeah.
(8:09) MTV, and that was my thing.
(8:12) I was just spending hours and hours watching video clips.
(8:15) And I was like, I don't know how I don't know how they do this, but I want to do that.
Brian
(8:20) Oh, that's so cool.
Daniel
(8:21) That was kind of I'd never think about it, but now that I'm a professional, I can say that that will be, I think, the beginning that was the beginning of of the story.
Brian
(8:31) That's interesting because for for me too, I was very, very interested in in in video music videos.
(8:41) Just off the top of your head, do you have some favorite music videos that you had maybe growing up or still today where you feel like, yeah, this is a level above?
Daniel
(8:52) I don't know.
(8:53) I think it was more about the music, but I don't know.
(8:57) Just that you said, for sure, I have a few videos of Linkin Park Mhmm.
(9:03) That I love that.
(9:05) For example, I cannot tell you one specifically, but Linkin Park was kind of maybe it was more about the music that reel the video.
Daniel
(9:16) But after that, right now, I'm kind of frozen brain
Brian
(9:23) No problem.
Daniel
(9:24) About this, but, yeah, for sure.
Brian
(9:25) I
Daniel
(9:26) I will tell you later something.
Brian
(9:27) If you if you ever think, if it pops up, let me know.
(9:30) But, I, there's a lot of filmmakers who started doing music videos, actually.
(9:38) I can't name really any right now, but there's well, yeah, there's Spike Jones
Daniel
(9:43) Mhmm.
Brian
(9:43) Who did the movie, if I'm not mistaken, he directed being John Malkovich, I think, maybe adaptation.
(9:54) And he did, like, a fat boy slim video with Christopher Walken dancing.
(9:59) And and and what I like with music video is that you could take concepts that were not traditional and just experiment and and, yeah, to give color and give, something that matches the music.
(10:17) And, of course, Michael Jackson and and thriller
Daniel
(10:19) and bad and Smooth Criminal.
Brian
(10:23) Smooth Criminal.
Daniel
(10:24) The Smooth Criminal.
(10:25) The video clip is amazing.
Brian
(10:27) Amazing.
(10:27) When you add the dancing element, it's just so great.
(10:30) Yeah.
(10:31) And, actually, Martin Martin Scorsese directed the bad video.
(10:36) Oh, really?
Brian
(10:37) I did like, I I had another podcast, and my guest said that.
(10:41) And I was like, no.
(10:42) No.
(10:42) That's not correct.
(10:43) And then I checked,
Daniel
(10:44) and it's true.
(10:44) Yeah.
(10:45) Didn't know that.
Brian
(10:46) Yep.
(10:46) Interesting.
(10:47) I always liked Bjork's videos.
Daniel
(10:51) Oh, dear.
Brian
(10:51) She she's I mean, she's just an artist herself.
(10:56) Musically, of course, whether you like her or not, she has her own style and, you know, writes her own songs and then is is very the way that she presents herself in in artistically and and visually, it's it's always very thought out.
(11:14) And, I know that she's worked with some some pretty famous artists.
(11:19) Like, when I was in college, I was in art school.
(11:22) I did an essay on Bjork's videos because the way that she presents her body is not in a sensual sexualized way.
Brian
(11:31) Like, it's not like, look at me.
(11:33) I look great.
(11:34) I'm photoshopped.
(11:35) She uses her body a lot in morphing, in there are videos that are where there's nudity, but it's not posed nudity.
(11:46) It's more talking about the the the body, and it's very
Daniel
(11:50) artistic.
(11:51) Right?
Brian
(11:51) Very artistic, very raw.
(11:54) And, then I what I also like is that Bjork using elements of rock, but elements of electronica and pop.
(12:04) She touches really different different styles, and visually, she does the same.
Daniel
(12:11) And
Brian
(12:11) and I like that element of her being very emotional and raw and at the same time music, electronic music, not just as beats, but distortion and really trying to get something visceral almost.
Daniel
(12:28) Yeah.
(12:28) I didn't think about that artist as a I don't know.
(12:33) I didn't know that she was kind of directing the videos too.
Brian
(12:36) Or So I don't know if she was directing, but she definitely had a strong Mhmm.
(12:40) I think the concepts were hers, and then she really worked with the directors.
(12:44) And and yeah.
(12:46) There's a do you know Michel Gondry?
(12:49) Yeah.
Brian
(12:50) Who did the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind?
(12:53) That's one of my favorite movies.
(12:55) He directed many music videos, including Bjork and many others.
Daniel
(13:02) Nice.
(13:02) Yeah.
(13:03) Yeah.
(13:03) I just remember right now, for example, as a kid that I was in love with gorillas.
Brian
(13:10) Yeah.
(13:11) Yep.
Daniel
(13:11) Like, the animation was
Brian
(13:13) like Yeah.
Daniel
(13:14) Don't know.
(13:14) It was like, no, blowing my mind.
(13:18) It was incredible nice, to watch that videos or, for example, chemical brothers.
(13:23) Yes.
(13:24) Yes.
Daniel
(13:24) I just remember one that is basically a kid.
(13:27) It's a story of a kid that wants to go to a club to dance.
Brian
(13:31) Yes.
Daniel
(13:31) And Yes.
(13:32) I don't know.
(13:32) I just I don't know.
(13:35) Really thinking about these videos and I don't know.
(13:38) It's like something this something these videos did something in me that Yeah.
Daniel
(13:44) Wants to do to create something like that.
Brian
(13:47) Yep.
Daniel
(13:47) And now, for example, one artist that I love is one of my favorites is Residente.
(13:52) Mhmm.
(13:52) He's from Puerto Rico.
(13:54) Before was Calle Trese.
(13:56) And this guy is a real artist.
Daniel
(13:58) He's a writer.
(13:59) He's a singer.
(14:00) He's a rapper.
(14:02) He can do whatever he wants, actually, because he directed, all the videos, the last videos, as far as I know.
(14:09) And and how he does is not maybe the in technical ways, maybe not the best, but the concept is there, and I love them too.
Brian
(14:19) Mhmm.
(14:20) I have to check them out.
(14:21) But but chemical brothers was one of the best for me.
(14:24) The the every time the video came out of chemical brothers, I was like, yes.
(14:28) It's gonna
Daniel
(14:29) It's kinda hyped.
(14:30) No?
Brian
(14:30) Yeah.
(14:31) Yeah.
(14:31) Totally.
Daniel
(14:31) People Yep.
(14:32) About that.
Brian
(14:33) Yeah.
(14:34) Yeah.
(14:34) Yeah.
(14:34) It's and and Michel, Michel Gondre did with chemical brothers.
(14:38) I don't remember which one, but it was always very inventive, a lot of optical illusions Yeah.
Brian
(14:44) And, original also.
Daniel
(14:47) There is one that was kind of, I don't know, was really impressive for the CGI that they use.
(14:54) It's basically a dancer that is dancing in a room with a lot of columns.
Brian
(15:01) Yes.
(15:01) Yes.
(15:01) Yes.
(15:02) Yes.
(15:02) Yeah.
Brian
(15:02) I think that's
Daniel
(15:03) And every time every time that the camera moves, the dancer see change, and part of the body is kind of transparent with a kind of a different texture is amazing.
Brian
(15:15) Yep.
(15:15) Yeah.
Daniel
(15:15) Yeah.
(15:15) That video, I don't know how many times I watched it, but it's incredible.
Brian
(15:19) Yeah.
(15:19) Yeah.
(15:19) I know.
(15:20) The the the yeah.
(15:21) I can I can see which one is?
Brian
(15:23) This is a podcast, so you have to use your imagination.
(15:26) But definitely check out video music videos from the Chemical Brothers, Bjork
Daniel
(15:31) Yeah.
Brian
(15:32) And many others.
(15:33) But, yeah, it's an I what you said about not knowing that you were creative, I felt this also where as a kid, I also like to draw.
(15:43) I never felt that I was very good technically, but that's you know, I was basing it for me when I was a kid.
(15:51) If you're a good drawer, it means that you're technically very good
Daniel
(15:55) Mhmm.
Brian
(15:55) That you can reproduce something perfectly.
(15:58) I didn't understand the sort of the aura and the the, you know, the the invisible art in a way, the one that you the emotion that you get in drawings.
(16:10) And, initially, I think because my in in my family, I've got a mom who who's very artistic, who who did arts in school and in her work and graphic art, but also theater design.
(16:27) But my dad, he was a businessman, and my brother was a very scholar.
(16:32) And and and it was just to me, it felt and my friends were all becoming bankers.
Brian
(16:40) So I didn't really fit into that.
(16:43) And when I discovered a love for arts and filmmaking, it was from shooting home videos at home when I was 14, 15 years old.
(16:54) And I was shooting I was bringing video cameras to ski camps and to events and then doing in tape editing with the VHS tape.
(17:05) But I didn't think I could pursue this and that it would become a job.
Daniel
(17:09) Mhmm.
Brian
(17:09) Because at the time, there wasn't really that many options in audiovisual work outside of cinema and television.
(17:20) We didn't have video online.
(17:22) So when I went to art school, I didn't feel that I was, able to like, I remember applying and thinking, this is useless.
(17:32) I shouldn't apply.
(17:34) I don't know art.
Brian
(17:34) I'm not an artist.
(17:36) And then when I went to art school, and I remember the first drawing and I was terrorized at the idea of of doing a drawing course.
Daniel
(17:45) Mhmm.
Brian
(17:46) We did figure drawing, so people, naked models, actually.
Daniel
(17:50) Mhmm.
Brian
(17:51) And the teacher said, okay.
(17:54) Forget everything you've ever learned about drawing
Daniel
(17:57) Mhmm.
Brian
(17:58) And just draw this person in five seconds.
Daniel
(18:03) Mhmm.
Brian
(18:03) It's like it's impossible.
(18:04) It's just capture the shape the shape of the person.
Daniel
(18:07) Mhmm.
Brian
(18:07) So you don't have time to think and be technical.
(18:10) And for me, it opened up like I remember coming out of that first course, and I was like, oh my god.
(18:16) It's I don't need to be able to be detail oriented.
(18:20) I just need to capture an essence of of art, and that was a big thing for me.
(18:27) Did you have a moment where suddenly it felt like you said before, like, this is what I want to do.
Brian
(18:33) Was there one moment in particular or something that you remember where you you maybe did something or you saw something where you were like, yeah.
(18:41) I wanna do this in my life.
Daniel
(18:43) I think what's natural when I started the course of photography, I think in that moment, something that really helps was, like, if you don't compare yourself with anyone.
(18:57) Yeah.
(18:57) Because in that moments, you are
Brian
(18:59) raw.
(19:00) Absolutely.
Daniel
(19:01) Everything that I was doing in that moment was learning learning something that I didn't know that was there.
(19:08) Basically, the story of photography, how the photography works, how the light works, how the the cameras works.
(19:16) And that is kind of for me in that moment was like, everything was, like, incredible, amazing.
(19:23) Like, I was really into the technical part of learning how the light works, how because, basically, photography video is light.
(19:31) Yeah.
Daniel
(19:32) It's controlling the light and doing, like, something nice with the light.
(19:37) It's basically that.
(19:38) And in that moment, you are so open to learn everything that you just want to learn.
(19:44) You are not able to be I want to be the best of this and compare myself with someone.
(19:51) Is that I just want to learn and and absorb everything that I can.
Daniel
(19:56) And in that moment, it was kind of natural because I didn't want to be the best.
(20:02) Mhmm.
(20:03) And I just want to to be creative.
(20:05) And that was, I think, the first thing that, like, put a seat into my I don't know Brain.
(20:13) The rest in the to the rest of my life, you know, for to being creative, I think.
Daniel
(20:18) And now I'm trying to remember this every day.
(20:21) Don't try to be the best.
(20:22) For example, there is something that one of my mentor, Pedro Tembre, told me, and I will always remember is that don't think too much about doing something or filming something.
(20:35) Just do it.
Brian
(20:35) Yeah.
(20:36) Yeah.
Daniel
(20:36) Yeah.
(20:36) Just film something, and you will be able in the future to to think about that.
(20:42) Yep.
(20:42) Just do it.
(20:43) Start doing it.
Daniel
(20:44) Don't compare yourself.
(20:46) Just do it.
(20:46) Just film.
(20:48) If you want to do it, just do it, and and you will learn from that process.
(20:51) And the next one will be better.
Daniel
(20:53) The next one will be better.
(20:54) But don't think about the rest.
(20:56) Just do it.
Brian
(20:56) Yep.
(20:57) That's true.
(20:57) It's very true, and that's something that I've always struggled with is thinking too much.
Daniel
(21:03) Mhmm.
Brian
(21:03) But I like the term run and gun
Daniel
(21:06) Mhmm.
Brian
(21:07) Because you you run Yeah.
(21:10) And you film.
(21:11) And for me, the run and gun was as a sport videographer
Daniel
(21:15) Mhmm.
Brian
(21:16) When I was shooting basketball games and behind the scenes and but also courts and then I did hockey.
(21:22) I didn't have time to really think it through before.
(21:25) It was just capture what you see, and then, like you say, it's practice.
Daniel
(21:30) Mhmm.
Brian
(21:30) And and then it was the discovery of of editing and what we can do with editing.
(21:36) In your case, you're also you're you can do many different things.
(21:41) You can capture.
(21:43) You can film.
(21:44) You can edit.
Brian
(21:48) You're you're you're very, like, abroad, you know, all in one.
(21:53) How did that come about?
(21:55) And do you have, like, a favorite part in in being an all in one crew?
(22:00) Yeah.
(22:01) Basically, you're a crew all by yourself.
Daniel
(22:03) Yeah.
(22:04) I think I think this is the fault of this is basically Spain.
Brian
(22:09) Yeah.
(22:09) Well, I yeah.
(22:10) Not only Spain, I think.
Daniel
(22:12) Yeah.
(22:12) Yeah.
(22:12) But I'm just saying this as a joke, but it's basically because I was falling in love with photography after studying everything kind of I didn't specialize myself.
(22:24) After that, I was like, okay.
(22:26) I want to just specialize myself in something.
Daniel
(22:29) I got the opportunity to do a really course of editing Mhmm.
(22:34) About cinema, narrative, TV, video clips, everything in once in two years.
(22:40) And I really fall in love with editing because it was completely new for me to be more technical, and I was like, I'm really good in this.
(22:48) Or at least I enjoying that I think is the most important part of this, especially in this job that you can really enjoy your job.
(22:56) The work you are doing is something that could be a hobby for some someone else.
Daniel
(23:00) And editing was kind of my thing, but I was like, oh, but I love doing video.
(23:06) I love to take pictures.
(23:08) For example, for pictures, I just, from the beginning, keep the the hobby of analog, keep photography as a hobby that I bring my analog cameras everywhere to do pictures for my trips, everything like that.
(23:22) And I think that is the thing that I like because something that I don't like is editing pictures.
Brian
(23:27) Yeah.
(23:28) I know.
(23:28) I don't like editing pictures.
Daniel
(23:30) That is something that I can tell you that I cannot do as a job.
Brian
(23:34) Yeah.
(23:34) Still still photography.
(23:36) It's
Daniel
(23:36) Yeah.
Brian
(23:37) Not moving pictures.
(23:38) Photography.
(23:39) Photography.
(23:39) Yes.
(23:40) Yeah.
Brian
(23:40) Editing
Daniel
(23:40) photography.
(23:41) Photography.
(23:42) Yeah.
(23:42) Yeah.
(23:42) This, I don't like it.
Daniel
(23:44) But because I really like to edit videos.
(23:46) It's completely different.
Brian
(23:48) Yes.
(23:48) It is.
(23:48) Yeah.
Daniel
(23:49) But, yeah, I think video editing was kind of my main job the last few years.
(23:55) I mean, my career is basically about video editing, but I got into video filming in, as I say, in the production company that I started in Madrid.
(24:06) It was kind of working as a video editor, doing promos, but I was helping in production, doing making off with video.
(24:14) I start to have my year, and I will start to film some of my trips.
(24:19) Mhmm.
Daniel
(24:20) And when I started in Olympic channel, I got the opportunity to go first Olympic games as an assistant, and I was like, this is amazing.
(24:29) I would love to do more stuff about video and be part of the crew, you know, always in the editing room.
(24:35) Because I'm a out out out person, I would love to go to different trips.
(24:40) And I got the opportunity to, got my license as a pilot drone, and this opened completely the opportunity to start to travel with Olympic Channel as a as a pilot drone.
(24:53) But at the same moment, I was the DIT doing the copies of the of the cameras, and I end up being the specialized of, for example, the GoPro.
Daniel
(25:04) In the same crew, I was doing DIT pilot drone, checking the GoPros, and I end up taking the camera too.
(25:13) And I was just traveling as a second camera operator, pilot drone, DIT, doing all of this stuff.
(25:20) And I think what's kind of natural of this process because I was really good in all of that or I was just working in all of these departments, I would say.
(25:31) Mhmm.
(25:32) And they trust from the first moment in me, and I think that was natural, like, to be part of all of these things.
Daniel
(25:40) Yeah.
Brian
(25:40) The trust is important that they that they that you were given the freedom to to do your thing.
(25:46) Did you have that right away?
(25:48) Or when you say you got their trust, how how did it happen?
Daniel
(25:52) The trust, I think, is something that you you transmit as a person that for example, for sure, they know your background.
(26:01) They know that you are good in something, but I'm a camp kind person.
(26:05) I'm really chill, but I have everything normally really organized.
(26:09) And I think all of these things that I have, I think, makes the people be I don't know.
(26:18) They trust in me
Brian
(26:19) Mhmm.
Daniel
(26:19) In in all of this.
(26:21) And normally, for sure, you can do mistakes.
(26:23) But when when you do a mistake, you just need to don't complain about them.
(26:29) What happened, just give a solution.
(26:31) Yeah.
Daniel
(26:31) Yeah.
(26:31) You give a solution straight away and you are not, I don't know, complain, ah, sorry about that, or just say, ah, no.
(26:39) But it's not my fault.
(26:40) Blah blah blah.
(26:40) No.
Daniel
(26:40) I don't want to give excuses for what happened.
(26:43) It's a mistake.
(26:45) Mistakes happen.
(26:46) Mhmm.
(26:47) I mean, as soon as you give a solution, I think the people trust in you.
Brian
(26:51) Yep.
(26:51) Yeah.
(26:52) And I think, also and that kind of circles back to when when we first met is that the moment when we met, I so I had left, the IOC.
(27:02) Let's see.
(27:02) It was, what, 2020 when we met, it was three years ago?
Daniel
(27:06) Three years ago, I think.
Brian
(27:07) Yeah.
(27:08) Oh, yeah.
(27:08) The our first shoot was when you came to Jeeva Hill, and we did the golf.
Daniel
(27:12) Shocking.
(27:13) Yes.
(27:13) The first one?
(27:14) Yeah.
(27:14) I think it was the first one.
Daniel
(27:15) Yeah.
Brian
(27:15) Yep.
(27:16) Because I I started working at Jiva Hill Resort two, three years ago, and we did, like, a promo on on on the golf course there.
Daniel
(27:26) Mhmm.
Brian
(27:26) And but when when we met, I remember getting your first email, and it was a time in my life where I it wasn't the perfect time to meet.
(27:34) And but it's always good to meet people who are in the same industry, especially in ours because you have to be able to work with others and and, like you say, people you trust.
(27:45) So the person that put us in touch, I trusted her, and and and then I saw your portfolio, and I I saw that technically you were you were very good.
(27:58) But then it's very important to get a good feel, a good vibe, especially I think in in in video work, there all there's almost this nonverbal communication where if we're on a crew together and we have to film a situation or deal with a certain situation, you have to react fast.
Daniel
(28:17) Mhmm.
Brian
(28:18) So you have to be prepared, but you have to react fast, but also you don't wanna be nervous.
(28:22) And I think that's one of your big strengths is that, like you say, you appear you appear calm.
(28:29) You you you're you're reassuring, I feel.
(28:32) But reassuring, I can say it from my point of view of working with you as a as a team member, but also for the people we're filming, not the actors because we haven't done fiction together at least, but when we're doing more documentary work or or behind the scenes or corporate shoots and and interviews because we did a lot of interviews, the subject needs to feel at ease and comfortable and in a safe space.
Daniel
(29:03) Mhmm.
Brian
(29:03) And being filmed and being interviewed is not an easy exercise.
(29:07) Yep.
(29:08) And I've seen some, videographers or directors of photography who can be very rigid and almost rude in a way.
(29:18) Mhmm.
(29:18) Because they're like, oh my god.
Brian
(29:20) I can't do Or or negative.
(29:24) And I'm like, don't bring negative energy and negative vibes into a room.
Daniel
(29:28) Yeah.
Brian
(29:29) And that's one thing that I really appreciate in in working with you.
(29:35) And I can see it in the way that you interact with with the people you're around.
(29:40) You're discreet, but at the same time, people come and talk to you easily.
Daniel
(29:45) Mhmm.
Brian
(29:46) I mean, I've worked with many different talented people, but to to be able to to trust that, first of all, you'll get the job done, but also that there's not gonna be any, I don't have to micromanage you, because you know your your job.
(30:04) You understand the gig, and, it's very reassuring for me.
Daniel
(30:09) Yeah.
(30:09) Thank you a lot for that.
(30:11) I think it's not gonna
Brian
(30:12) Danny's work.
(30:14) Yeah.
(30:14) That's what but maybe if we talk about, sorry if you had something you wanted to
Daniel
(30:18) add.
(30:18) Just want to say thanks for because I feel like I think it's important because you land with years of a lot of I don't know.
(30:27) Working, for example, with top athletes or president of the IOC or people really important, that something that I'm trying to do is, like, it's just a human being.
Brian
(30:39) Yep.
Daniel
(30:40) I will try him as I tried my best friend.
Brian
(30:44) Right.
Daniel
(30:45) Because he, for sure, has a status.
(30:48) He, for sure, is nervous.
(30:50) He, for sure, has something to do after and before the interview.
(30:55) You just need to treat him as a human being and try to have everything under control, but never be nervous because all of this energy is gonna be in the room.
(31:04) Yep.
Daniel
(31:05) As soon as you for example, you can miss a microphone, a battery.
(31:10) But if the people that is there feels like
Brian
(31:13) Yes.
Daniel
(31:14) This is happening, they get they get crazy, and you don't want that.
(31:18) And the producer doesn't want that.
(31:20) And you just need to be calm.
(31:22) Be calm doesn't mean to be slow.
Brian
(31:25) Mhmm.
(31:25) Yes.
(31:26) Yes.
Daniel
(31:26) Sometimes when I say calm, the people say, ah, but you are really slow or whatever.
(31:30) No.
(31:30) No.
(31:31) Calm means be a good energy, good vibe, putting everything nonstop.
(31:39) I don't know, putting set up the equipment, everything, but come.
Daniel
(31:42) Like, you don't need to run because all of this is energy that you just throw to the to the person.
Brian
(31:48) We can we can be quick.
(31:50) I mean, you can you can easily go from one step to the other and and change of plans.
(31:56) Like, you know, of course, shoots, especially when there's a client involved, it never happens as it is on paper.
Daniel
(32:05) Mhmm.
(32:05) Yeah.
Brian
(32:06) So the locations change, the script changes, the conditions change.
(32:11) There's plenty of examples like that.
Daniel
(32:13) Like this morning?
(32:14) Like this morning.
Brian
(32:15) Like this morning.
(32:15) But this morning, it was interesting because there was a situation where, you know, we we always test the the microphone level.
(32:22) Mhmm.
(32:23) And and so we had somebody who did have a lot of time and who's quite important and and who had a a a message to deliver.
(32:32) And in the first take, the the sound was a bit too high.
Brian
(32:36) It was too saturated,
Daniel
(32:37) I think.
Brian
(32:38) And I was a producer on this shoot.
(32:40) You were filming.
(32:41) Yeah.
(32:41) And I I I heard through your headphones that it had saturated a bit.
(32:47) But you didn't react.
Brian
(32:49) You stayed you stayed you didn't say anything, but I understood that, okay, we're gonna have No.
(32:55) Anyway, we need several takes.
(32:56) Yeah.
(32:56) But it was like, okay.
(32:58) When we resume, you you said, okay.
Brian
(33:02) Let's let's start over from the start.
(33:04) And you said it in a way that was, like, normal.
(33:08) It it didn't it didn't hide the fact that the first take was not perfect.
(33:13) But
Daniel
(33:13) Yeah.
(33:14) In that moment, you can say, we need to repeat because the sound was bad.
(33:17) Yeah.
(33:17) You can't to right a president of the FIBA that this happened, and you don't want that.
(33:23) It's like chill.
Daniel
(33:24) And in the end, this happened because you always check.
(33:27) You say to the person, yes, count until 10.
(33:31) And but, normally, the people count until 10 or read the script before.
(33:36) But when they start, they change completely the level of speaking.
Brian
(33:40) Yes.
(33:40) Absolutely.
Daniel
(33:41) And Yep.
(33:41) Normally, you need to adapt yourself and say, okay.
(33:44) Let's do it again.
(33:46) It was not really bad, but let's do it again.
(33:48) We put a bit down the the volume, and that's it.
Daniel
(33:51) Yep.
(33:52) Yeah.
(33:52) These things are important,
Brian
(33:53) I think.
(33:53) Yeah.
(33:54) No.
(33:54) It is.
(33:54) It is.
Brian
(33:55) And there's so many situations, but, I mean, one thing that we've done a lot together is interviews.
(34:03) So you started we started really collaborating when last year at Giva Hill.
(34:09) So the Giva Hill Resort has the stables and have a dressage show each year.
(34:14) And, last year was, it was the first time that the competition was five stars, so it's the top level of equestrian dressage.
(34:24) So, we had, we had some big dressage names.
Daniel
(34:29) Mhmm.
Brian
(34:29) We had to shoot interviews in conditions that weren't always easy because it it wasn't always planned.
(34:35) I mean, usually, it wasn't planned, actually.
Daniel
(34:37) Yeah.
Brian
(34:37) So we had we were lucky that we had Emma who was the the the producer and and led the interviews and and is an equestrian expert.
Daniel
(34:46) And Mhmm.
Brian
(34:47) And, so she could she could conduct the interviews and lead them, but we had to react to the opportunities and then dealing with horses too.
Daniel
(34:57) Mhmm.
Brian
(34:57) Do you have any memories from last year when we did all these these interviews?
(35:02) And
Daniel
(35:03) Yeah.
(35:03) I mean, I have a few, but I think the funny, part was kind of doing interviews when they have the horse Yeah.
(35:11) There.
(35:12) Absolutely.
(35:13) And sometimes you said, okay.
Daniel
(35:15) Let's do the interview here.
(35:17) It's, the light is a bit complicated.
(35:20) The place is complicated.
(35:21) The sound is complicated.
(35:23) I mean, there are a lot of things.
Daniel
(35:24) And in that moment, you just need to get the good frame of the person, but you have the horse too, and they are interacting.
(35:33) It's kind of, I don't know, difficult but funny.
Brian
(35:37) Risky,
Daniel
(35:37) almost.
(35:38) Risky.
(35:39) Yes.
(35:39) But I think, it was good.
(35:43) For me, I don't think I don't remember any extreme moment.
Daniel
(35:47) I think we were just the team was really there all the time.
(35:51) And, actually, the all the the the the SAS people that we interviewed were amazing.
Brian
(35:58) Yeah.
(35:58) They were they were so nice and so well spoken.
Daniel
(36:01) Yeah.
(36:02) Really nice.
Brian
(36:03) Yeah.
(36:03) Yeah.
(36:04) It's I mean, I that's a great memory for me because it we we had a lot on our to do list.
(36:11) Mhmm.
(36:11) I mean, we had this this crew of of three people of you as, you know, as the the director of photography, Emma as a producer.
Brian
(36:21) I was sort of directing and and having more, like, the the big big picture vision and trying to coordinate all of this.
(36:29) And then we were able to bring in also Sofia who was there to do photography, but is very gifted in video too.
(36:37) But we had to improvise a lot because we didn't really know what to expect.
(36:41) We hadn't done it before.
Daniel
(36:42) Yeah.
(36:43) So
Brian
(36:44) what I really enjoyed with this experience is that when we realized that these interviews with these amazing riders and their horses when we saw the potential of them and how we were able to talk about very varied themes, not just about equestrian, but also about life.
Daniel
(37:05) Mhmm.
Brian
(37:06) And interaction, and it it just felt like we what I really liked is that we followed what felt right in the moment.
(37:15) Mhmm.
(37:15) It wasn't like, no.
(37:16) We need to edit this and we need to do that.
(37:19) And and for me, the story of having all these interviews, it it sort of developed into a broader story where I'm like, okay.
Brian
(37:30) I'm not trying to get specific answers from people.
Daniel
(37:33) Mhmm.
Brian
(37:33) I'm I just wanna follow the storylines that seem interesting.
(37:37) Yeah.
(37:38) And and then we'll see how we deal with the editing.
(37:44) But I knew in the moment that we had great footage and that we had interesting stories.
Daniel
(37:51) Yeah.
(37:51) I feel too that when Emma and you were doing the interviews, you were about to ask some questions.
(37:59) But before you ask that question, sometimes they already reply to that in a much better way.
(38:05) Yeah.
(38:06) Yeah.
Daniel
(38:06) For example, asking how do you feel in Jiva?
(38:09) And they said amazing things about Jiva without even us because I think the environment, the whole energy, and the whole vibe of the event was really good, and they was they were, like, really comfortable in the place.
(38:23) Yep.
(38:24) And I think that that was a game change for
Brian
(38:27) for everybody.
(38:28) I mean, I I it it I mean, you described it well as to you made an analogy of what is Jiva Hills tables.
(38:36) Do you remember what it is?
Daniel
(38:39) You are asking for the reply of No.
Brian
(38:42) No.
(38:43) Yeah.
(38:43) Once to describe what Jeeva Hills Stables is, you
Daniel
(38:47) Ah, I just said I always said that it's like a five star hotel for horses.
Brian
(38:51) Exactly.
(38:51) Yeah.
Daniel
(38:52) Yeah.
(38:53) That's
Brian
(38:53) the feeling that we get from talking to those writers is that they feel this, so we don't need to ask them to make promotion for us or to or to force them to say nice things.
Daniel
(39:05) Mhmm.
Brian
(39:06) They genuinely feel that.
(39:09) And because there's the element of horse, of a living creature, and all the practical you know, imagine having to bring your horse across Europe and and, you know, there's so many people involved in all of this.
(39:21) So you wanna be able to feel in good conditions when you arrive at a show.
(39:26) Yeah.
(39:27) And, I do feel that we're very lucky that we don't have to do propaganda for a place that's not so great.
Brian
(39:35) Yeah.
(39:35) But, actually, it's a very nice place.
Daniel
(39:37) Yeah.
(39:37) Actually, some of them, I think they said, ah, we were about to go holidays, but we canceled because we want to go to Jiba.
(39:45) To Jiba.
(39:45) Because it's kind of holidays for us.
(39:47) Yeah.
Daniel
(39:48) The horse is just really good take care.
(39:51) The place is amazing.
(39:52) I don't know.
(39:54) I I think for them, it was kind of, like, holidays moment too.
(39:58) Yeah.
Daniel
(39:58) Yeah.
(39:58) Even if there was a stress for the event, blah blah blah, the competition, but I think yeah.
Brian
(40:03) No.
(40:04) And I remember when we when we wrapped everything, and it was really cool because one of the last interviews we did was of, Isabel Isabel Verth
Daniel
(40:14) Mhmm.
Brian
(40:15) The queen of dressage, the legend.
(40:17) And it was a moment where during the whole show, we were hoping to get her to do an interview, but she's really I mean, she's like the Serena Williams in of dressage in a way.
(40:29) She's like the goat.
Daniel
(40:31) Yeah.
Brian
(40:31) And, you know, it's, like, more difficult to approach her and to be like, yeah.
(40:37) Do you wanna do an interview?
(40:39) So Emma and I kept saying, you go ask her, and we were a bit a bit shy.
(40:44) And then at the end, she won, she won an event, the freestyle, and she was in a great mood.
(40:49) And so I was like, this is the moment.
Brian
(40:51) This is the moment.
(40:52) We gotta get her while she's in a good mood and before she leaves.
(40:55) And I couldn't get Emma was busy at that moment, so we approached her with Daniel, so the two of us.
Daniel
(41:03) Mhmm.
Brian
(41:04) And she had a inter interview with press, but then she was in a she was in a rush.
(41:09) She had to go.
(41:11) And I presented myself and and and and you, Danny, and and we we asked if we could interview her, and she do do you remember the the scene?
Daniel
(41:25) When yeah.
(41:27) We were, like, under the trees and
Brian
(41:29) Yeah.
(41:29) But before that, she rushed to get we said we
Daniel
(41:32) was, yo.
Brian
(41:32) Can we do it with your horse?
Daniel
(41:33) And she rushed.
Brian
(41:34) Like, she ran.
(41:35) And this is, like, the legend of
Daniel
(41:37) the Yeah.
(41:37) Yeah.
(41:38) Yeah.
(41:38) But she was, like, really chill with us.
(41:41) She was, Yep.
Daniel
(41:42) Even if she was, I think, running out of time Mhmm.
(41:46) That moment, she came with a horse.
(41:49) She was super chill, really nice.
(41:51) Yeah.
(41:52) And you didn't feel like she was in a rush.
Brian
(41:55) No.
(41:55) She was super professional.
(41:56) And, also, I mean, she had been competing, and so she was sweating, and she hadn't changed, and she wasn't know?
(42:02) I mean, some of those other pieces that we did was during off competition.
(42:06) So which was really nice too because the riders came with their horses, and they were able to be in their casual clothes and and, you know, feeling relaxed.
Brian
(42:15) But here, Isabelle, we it was in the moment.
(42:19) Yeah.
(42:19) So and we found a spot, under the trees.
(42:22) And, yeah, we had to deal and and that's also why I really like working with you is that we had to deal with conditions that weren't ideal.
(42:28) There was a lot of sun.
Brian
(42:29) There was, like, hard shadows.
(42:31) Yeah.
(42:31) But we found a spot.
(42:33) The horse was circling around around us.
Daniel
(42:37) Yeah.
Brian
(42:39) But that was a it was a special moment.
(42:43) And and when we drove back, I remember that and Isabelle had said something that was like, gee, this place is, well, she mentioned the holiday thing.
(42:56) Yeah.
(42:56) She she said it's like a holiday here.
(42:59) And she said, you know, I I didn't know.
Brian
(43:01) This is my first time here.
(43:03) And I was like, well, how how do did I know know this place?
(43:06) This is amazing.
(43:07) It's the best kept secrets, and people they Exactly.
(43:10) People who don't know about it, they will come for sure.
Brian
(43:13) Yeah.
(43:13) And then we I was like, yes.
(43:15) This is, like, the last thing that we shot, and we were in the car talking about that.
(43:19) And you you told me, like, yeah.
(43:21) This is your whole marketing Yeah.
Brian
(43:23) Strategy campaign.
(43:25) It's just this quote.
Daniel
(43:26) Yeah.
(43:27) Yeah.
(43:28) It was completely natural.
(43:30) It was like she was saying that without asking her.
(43:33) Yeah.
Daniel
(43:34) Yeah.
(43:34) And I think that's the key of this.
Brian
(43:36) Yeah.
(43:36) So it it makes our job easier.
Daniel
(43:38) Yeah.
(43:39) Much more.
Brian
(43:45) So we had a little little break.
(43:47) Yep.
(43:48) A little commercial break.
(43:50) And we don't have a shoot tonight.
(43:53) Nope.
Brian
(43:53) We're live that's that's the life of videographers.
(43:56) Exactly.
(43:57) You have to be ready every time Yeah.
(44:00) And then improvise.
Daniel
(44:03) Things can happen always.
Brian
(44:05) Yeah.
(44:06) It's funny because I never really it's not something that was planned in my life and career to conduct interviews.
(44:14) But when I think back to it now, I think I must have conducted hundreds.
(44:22) And and some were very short.
(44:25) Like, with the IOC, there was the athletes forum where it was, like, really one after the other and didn't didn't have time to prepare much.
Brian
(44:32) But for you, is it something you you enjoy?
(44:36) And what's what's been do you have anecdotes?
(44:40) Or
Daniel
(44:41) Yeah.
(44:41) I think for me, it's like a process to because when you film my interview, the people think that, okay.
(44:51) You just put the camera, tripod, and you just press record.
(44:55) For example, for the technical part, in the first interviews that I filmed, I was so nervous because in the end, there are so many things that can that can happen really wrong Yep.
(45:09) And can just I don't know.
Daniel
(45:12) Sorry for the language.
(45:13) Fucked up.
(45:13) Yeah.
(45:14) Situation.
Brian
(45:15) Fucked up.
Daniel
(45:15) Yeah.
(45:16) But this kind of like, okay.
(45:18) The lies has battery.
(45:19) The battery can just I don't know.
(45:21) Sometimes you are filming someone that has, like, five minutes to do the interview.
Daniel
(45:26) And if something is technical, it's wrong, that can be can be the battery of the sound Yep.
(45:31) The battery of the lights, the camera, the the SD card.
(45:35) Yeah.
(45:35) You have so many things to take care.
Brian
(45:37) The sound of the kitchen.
Daniel
(45:38) The sound of the kitchen.
(45:40) This morning.
(45:41) That you cannot really control.
(45:42) And Yeah.
(45:43) And in the beginning, it's kind of really, really stressed.
Daniel
(45:46) Like, I was like, my hands were sweating in the beginning of the first interviews.
(45:51) But you get used to have everything under control, and that is something that you learn with with time, with a lot of interviews.
(46:01) And something that I really enjoy is sometimes really listening about the content and trying to help the producer because some sometimes there is something missing that, for sure, the producer has so many things too in mind.
(46:15) Like, I want to ask this, this, this, this, and I like to be now that I have under control the part of technical, to try to help because I love to produce my own videos too, and I think something that I love is to be part of that process too.
Brian
(46:32) Mhmm.
(46:33) No.
(46:34) You're right.
(46:34) I mean, there's you have to prepare for the unexpected.
(46:39) I mean, there's to operate with but what if I look at this morning, for example, we had a corporate shoots, I'd say, but it it was in a in a space where there's people who walk by, where there's open offices, and and this is something we can control in advance.
Brian
(46:59) We can tell them in advance maybe if we're gonna shoot this, we need to make sure that there's but it's hard, you know, as as if it's our job to make it work, basically.
Daniel
(47:13) Yeah.
(47:13) It's trying to minimize the things that is happening around to make sure that, you don't feel that when you have the shot Yeah.
(47:24) Done.
Brian
(47:25) I I felt like a bit like a jerk to say silence.
(47:29) Yeah.
(47:29) But it's like, you know what?
(47:30) I know that the guy we're interviewing, he's pretty important.
(47:33) He has a super important meeting after the shoot.
Brian
(47:38) And we're it's like the priority now is that we get it right in in the time duration that we have.
(47:46) Mhmm.
(47:47) So the little, dictator in me came out,
Daniel
(47:51) and I was like, silence.
(47:53) That normally is the sound operator that is the Yeah.
Brian
(47:56) Usually, it's the sound
Daniel
(47:57) operator today.
Brian
(47:59) That was my job today.
(48:00) I didn't have to do much else.
(48:02) Hold the prompts.
(48:04) Yeah.
(48:05) I was a human prompter, but do you have, like, the the work that you're most proud of, or examples of different you know, it could be your own production or a client based or with the Olympics also?
Daniel
(48:24) Yeah.
(48:24) I think I depends of different things.
(48:28) I have a few of them.
(48:29) For example, PyeongChang for me was special.
(48:33) Like, basically, my my first big experience in Olympic games and be able to to have this as a memory was incredible.
Daniel
(48:45) Just to be able to assist a producer and a camera and be part of the team and be able to do interviews to, basically, the small countries, interviews to, I don't know, to Colombia that was doing cross country skiing and or a Mexican.
(49:05) And this was super special because normally when you do you do these Olympic games, you just do one sport.
(49:13) Mhmm.
(49:13) And I was able to go to basically all the sports and do interviews to these people, and I think was super special.
(49:21) Even if I was not the DOP of a crew, I was just an assistant in that moment.
Daniel
(49:28) But I got the camera.
(49:29) I was just learning how to proper use a microphone, learn how a producer manage all the situations.
(49:39) And for me, it was really special.
(49:43) Maybe I cannot show in, I don't know, in my profile, in my website.
(49:50) I did this because in the end, it's more like a learning process that Olympic games.
Daniel
(49:55) But after that, I think was, like, I get a lot of confident for myself.
(50:00) Like, I did this, and and I'm proud of that, really proud of that, most as a memory, but for the learning process too.
(50:10) And another moment that I think changed was after this, I got the opportunity to edit really important profiles of a project that is a ready monsters in Mavericks that is about surfing.
(50:25) And JT Taylor is Jonathan Taylor just trusting me to edit that videos and was kind of, I don't know, a really important thing to do.
(50:37) And I was so nervous, And I spent so many hours in the edit room just to make everything perfect, every frame.
Daniel
(50:44) And I'm really proud of that videos, that I will share with you
Brian
(50:49) Yes, please.
Daniel
(50:49) That you can watch it.
(50:50) Absolutely.
(50:51) And I think maybe it was not really, like, the best videos that I did.
(50:56) But for that moment, was surfing.
(50:58) That is my passion too and was kind of special for me to to get that trust from especially from Jonathan Taylor that is one of the best producer that I work with.
Daniel
(51:12) And I think the last thing that I'm really proud is my own documentary.
Brian
(51:16) Mhmm.
Daniel
(51:17) That is basically after so many years of experience, I got the, I don't know, the I leave the scary and nervous away, and I said, I gonna do something for myself.
(51:31) And maybe, as I said before, it's not the best that I did, but it's mine.
(51:36) It's kind of I did everything.
(51:38) I produced.
(51:38) I edit.
Daniel
(51:39) I filmed.
(51:40) I got the the characters, and was, I think, one of the best things that I I did.
Brian
(51:47) Yeah.
(51:48) I mean, the it's when I saw so can you describe a bit what what this documentary is?
Daniel
(51:53) Yeah.
(51:54) The documentary, the name is Mi Refugio.
(51:58) That means kind of my shelter or my refugee.
(52:02) It's kind of a story of four different characters that basically, this came because I got a really bad period in my life.
(52:12) I was a bit depressed and for so many reasons, and I was like I wrote something and was kind of a sentence, basically, that I said that the ocean is my refugee.
Daniel
(52:25) Because, basically, every time I was, like, depressed or sad or I had a bad day, I was went to the ocean and everything disappeared.
(52:36) Just jumping in the water, not even surfing, just swimming or whatever, especially surfing for sure.
(52:43) And I got four characters that had this more or less feeling of the ocean.
(52:48) Mhmm.
(52:49) And I was looking, and, naturally, I I met four different characters that really express that.
Daniel
(52:56) And I was doing interviews to them, following them in different kind of lifestyles that they have.
(53:05) And, naturally, I did a small documentary of sixteen minutes.
(53:09) And Sixteen?
(53:11) Sixteen minutes, more or less.
Brian
(53:12) Six zero?
Daniel
(53:13) No.
(53:14) Sixteen.
Brian
(53:14) Sixteen.
(53:15) Oh, yeah.
Daniel
(53:15) Sixteen.
(53:16) Okay.
(53:16) Short, but in the end, I think really express what I want to say.
Brian
(53:21) Yeah.
(53:21) I mean, when when you sent me your portfolio, I looked at your demo reel and and and felt it was very good, but it's when I saw your documentary that I was really wanting to work with you because the what you said about doing doing everything, I I experienced it once.
(53:45) And it was for the basketball team I was working for.
(53:49) I was the videographer, and and so I shot all the interviews.
(53:54) I edited all.
Brian
(53:55) I I I it was really the one complete piece of work that I did all myself.
(54:01) Mhmm.
(54:01) And based on my expectations, the production value isn't there.
(54:06) However, the fact that I did it from start to finish and the editing and the storytelling and to be able to construct a whole body, like, one complete work that's not just an Instagram reel or
Daniel
(54:20) Mhmm.
Brian
(54:21) But to do a documentary, it's it's, for me, it's also the the most proud I've been.
Daniel
(54:27) Mhmm.
Brian
(54:28) And when I saw yeah.
(54:31) Sorry.
(54:31) The the title is my refuge.
Daniel
(54:33) Mi refugio?
Brian
(54:33) Mi refugio.
(54:34) Refugio.
Daniel
(54:34) Mi Mi Mhmm.
Brian
(54:35) So it translates to my my refuge.
(54:37) Yeah.
(54:37) My refuge.
(54:37) The ocean is your Mhmm.
(54:39) Refuge, and the people you Mhmm.
Brian
(54:41) You you followed were Exactly.
(54:44) Yeah.
(54:44) When I saw this, I was like, ah, yeah.
(54:46) Yeah.
(54:46) Yeah.
Brian
(54:46) Okay.
(54:47) We're we speak the same language even though I'm not a water person.
(54:53) The the way that the people were also your characters were talking to you, I felt that it was very intimate and that it was clear to me that they felt comfortable and and at ease.
(55:08) And that's so important.
(55:10) And so, yeah, that for me, that was, like, the the the the thing where I was like, okay.
Brian
(55:18) I I wanna work with you.
(55:20) And and at the time, I was starting to work at at Jeeva Hill Resort and and Jeeva Hill Stables, and I wanted to have the documentary feel experience, but without knowing exactly what would come out of it.
Daniel
(55:36) Mhmm.
Brian
(55:38) But really from the the start, and I think that's what I told you and and Emma, last year is, like, let's follow, like with the documentary mind is that we follow the storylines and and then, maybe the differences where you had a theme already, I had to sort of find the the theme.
(56:00) But I that's what I really like with documentaries is that the story tells itself in a
Daniel
(56:05) way.
(56:05) Mhmm.
Brian
(56:06) And us, we I mean, as an editor, as a producer, you cons you piece the puzzle together, but in a way, it's also sculpture because you sculpt it in a way.
Daniel
(56:21) Yeah.
(56:21) I think that's the good part of the documentary part.
(56:24) Like, a documentary doesn't need to have a structure.
(56:28) You have, for sure, the rules of the perfect documentary that has to have, like, the intro, like, the main part, and, like, a resolution, like a movie in the end.
Brian
(56:39) Like any any piece.
(56:40) Yeah.
Daniel
(56:40) Yeah.
(56:41) But in the end, documentary is kind of really more free.
(56:44) Like, you can do whatever you want.
(56:46) It's just a story.
(56:48) You just need to tell a good story.
Daniel
(56:50) As soon as you have this in mind or this idea in mind, you can really be creative about that.
Brian
(56:56) Yep.
(56:57) Yeah.
(56:57) Yeah.
(56:59) Nowadays because we I mean, in a way, I think in the past, maybe it's almost not manipulation, but when you ask questions as the filmmaker, you have in mind what you wanna get.
(57:11) Mhmm.
Brian
(57:11) And what I find interesting actually, it's a double edged sword because the the interesting part I think is that if the subject, if you're the people you're filming, they're more aware now of what they're saying, how it's gonna be Mhmm.
(57:27) I don't know if you see what I mean.
(57:29) I have a feeling that before people answer the questions without really knowing what's gonna come out, I always feel a bit weird when the subject is the is the producer or the investor.
Daniel
(57:41) Yeah.
(57:41) Yeah.
Brian
(57:42) I've let go a bit of this because it doesn't mean that you have to do propaganda, but I have problems when I see like, it's very it's a big trend right now for athletes to have documentaries on them.
(57:59) Right?
(57:59) Yeah.
(57:59) Like Nadal Yeah.
(58:01) Everybody, I think.
Brian
(58:04) Every athlete has a document.
(58:06) And 80% probably of those documentaries are the financing comes from from them or from their team Yeah.
(58:14) If you see what I mean.
Daniel
(58:15) Yeah.
(58:16) I think documentary for me is, for example, that you can create a documentary about, I don't know, a tree.
(58:26) You know?
(58:27) Like, the character doesn't need to be a person.
(58:30) Mhmm.
Daniel
(58:31) You can really tell a story and use, I don't know, where you are filming or every element could be a character.
(58:42) And knowing that you can create something from zero and you can I don't know?
(58:49) For example, all the Adletes documentaries for me are kind of the same.
Brian
(58:54) Yeah.
(58:54) There's there's
Daniel
(58:55) Yeah.
(58:55) Is kind of same structure, and not a lot of them has personality.
(59:04) Yeah.
(59:04) Would say.
Brian
(59:04) True.
(59:05) Personal
Daniel
(59:05) yeah.
(59:06) Yeah.
(59:06) And I think the problem too I mean, I will go against me, but the platform sometimes gives you tip like, not tips, I would I would say, instructions of what you need to do.
(59:17) Yeah.
(59:18) Because now there is a clear idea of what the marketing needs.
Daniel
(59:23) Because in the end, it's about place or views in Instagram or this kind of stuff.
(59:29) And I think the the people start to forget about the the idea of a documentary.
(59:35) It's just tell about a story, And and whatever is the story needs to be interesting, not about how many people is gonna watch.
(59:44) It's like how many people is gonna have this story inside of them and makes them, I don't know, feel something.
(59:54) Yeah.
Daniel
(59:55) That I think is the important thing for me.
(59:57) When I see a documentary and makes me feel like something inside, that is a good documentary.
(1:00:03) Mhmm.
(1:00:03) It's not about I will not think about the best image of, I don't know, surfing, tennis, whatever.
(1:00:10) Like, it's amazingly slow motion noise about the story behind.
Daniel
(1:00:14) And I think I don't know if I went round of the topic.
(1:00:18) I don't know.
Brian
(1:00:18) I'm I'm I'm 100% with you on this.
(1:00:21) Mhmm.
(1:00:22) If you take, like, the typical sports documentary, it's the journey of there's a championship or there's something, and at the end, there's a winner, and the objective is to win.
(1:00:33) And then there's the moment where the team loses, and then it's like, we lost and we're down.
(1:00:40) And then it's like, yeah, but we fought and then we won.
Brian
(1:00:44) Or Mhmm.
(1:00:45) Or or if it's not a victory at the end, that's usually when it's most interesting to me is that when there's not a victory at the end because when you have a victory at the end, the happy the happy ending is the same Yeah.
(1:00:58) In anything.
(1:01:00) To me, it's more interesting when either there's, like, a human victory, there's a competition loss, but there's something an element that's that's secondary.
(1:01:13) Or if, for example, if you take the objective is the road to the trophy.
Brian
(1:01:19) Mhmm.
(1:01:19) Okay?
(1:01:19) Any trophy or the gold medal.
(1:01:22) And then you don't achieve this, but something happens in your life that you weren't looking for, but that arrives.
(1:01:30) I don't know.
Brian
(1:01:31) You meet your future wife or you you discover a passion elsewhere or you Mhmm.
(1:01:37) Or the journey or you meet people or you discover something about yourself.
(1:01:42) Yeah.
(1:01:43) But but it's true that most of these sport documentaries are very formatted now, and and it becomes about, you know, the the locker room speech.
(1:01:55) I mean, okay.
Brian
(1:01:56) I I've been in the locker room speech.
(1:01:58) I I loved being in in the locker room during speeches, but it's just like, now it's every fucking time.
(1:02:05) There's Yeah.
(1:02:06) A locker room speech, and one of somebody gets mad and challenges the other.
(1:02:11) They're like, we gotta fucking play as a team now.
Daniel
(1:02:14) Yeah.
(1:02:14) Yeah.
Brian
(1:02:15) Kind of always the same thing.
Daniel
(1:02:17) Yeah.
(1:02:17) It's for me, it's just imagine a documentary about about tennis in the Olympics.
(1:02:23) I don't know.
(1:02:24) I just have the picture.
(1:02:25) Why you we don't tell the story about the that girl that is just picking the balls Yeah.
Daniel
(1:02:33) Yeah.
(1:02:33) In the matches.
(1:02:34) And you tell the story about her, what she feels, and she will meet all these athletes.
(1:02:41) She will be around.
(1:02:42) And you will have a completely different picture of the tournament that we already have.
Daniel
(1:02:48) Mhmm.
(1:02:48) Yes.
(1:02:49) We all will watch a documentary about Feather and Nadal or whatever that about the whole process, but we never watched this.
(1:02:56) Yep.
(1:02:57) For me, that will be maybe I'm weird, but for me, will be more interesting to know what is the behind the scenes of someone that is working there, for example.
Daniel
(1:03:06) I think that's an idea that came out.
(1:03:08) Absolutely.
Brian
(1:03:08) And the thing is, I think, in reality, people would be most interested in the I mean, I think we underestimate the number of people who might be interested in that.
(1:03:19) It's a harder sale Yeah.
(1:03:21) Initially.
(1:03:21) If you pitch to, like, an investor or a film producer say, hey.
(1:03:26) We've got this great idea about following a ball girl Mhmm.
Brian
(1:03:29) At a tennis tournament.
(1:03:30) They're gonna be like, yeah.
(1:03:31) But you who's she's not gonna bring in money, and it's a harder sale.
(1:03:35) Yeah.
(1:03:36) But then if on a if I take the example that I had editing videos for the Olympics, early on, you know, sort of my boss was saying, oh, we need to do Michael Phelps and Simone Biles.
Brian
(1:03:50) And Mhmm.
(1:03:50) One day when we were in Rio, he said, oh, today we're only gonna do gymnastics because gymnast people love gymnastics.
Daniel
(1:03:56) Mhmm.
Brian
(1:03:56) I'm like, what the fuck, man?
(1:03:57) That's first of all, that's not you know, our our mission is not to promote just one sport.
Daniel
(1:04:06) It's it's Exactly.
Brian
(1:04:07) And, but what was interesting is that, you know, when I had edited videos of Michael Phelps or Simone Biles, like, I had done an edit of every Michael Phelps medal.
(1:04:19) So and I had done, like, crazy split screens, and I was like, yeah.
(1:04:23) Michael Phelps.
(1:04:24) Michael Phelps.
(1:04:24) Video bombed.
Brian
(1:04:25) It was, like, didn't didn't do well at all.
(1:04:28) And then I noticed that whenever I I did a I edited a story on a on a celebrity, like a a star athlete, Usain Bolt.
(1:04:38) Yeah.
(1:04:38) The the the engagement wasn't crazy.
(1:04:41) The you know, it it they weren't the best received videos.
Brian
(1:04:47) But when, you know, when we found a story of an athlete who who was unknown and and maybe had something happened to him very unlikely and his road to the Olympics was just unexpected.
(1:05:03) And and, you know, like the like, you were saying the Mexican skier Mhmm.
(1:05:07) Cross country skier.
(1:05:09) These stories where you can relate to the person.
Daniel
(1:05:12) Exactly.
Brian
(1:05:13) And I think when you when you're able to relate to a it's easier to relate to a a a ball boy or a ball girl in tennis tournament than to Federer or Nadal or Serena Williams, because they're stars.
(1:05:27) We'd love to be superstars.
(1:05:28) But when you can relate to somebody
Daniel
(1:05:30) Mhmm.
Brian
(1:05:31) It touches you, I think.
Daniel
(1:05:32) Yeah.
(1:05:32) For sure.
Brian
(1:05:33) And often the reactions to those types of stories were were stronger in in my experience.
(1:05:40) So I don't know what the solution is to this, but we need to work on this idea of following a ball girl.
(1:05:47) Yeah.
Daniel
(1:05:49) I don't know.
(1:05:50) It just came up and could be something nice that nobody did.
Brian
(1:05:55) Yeah.
(1:05:56) And the point of view would be great.
Daniel
(1:05:58) Yeah.
(1:06:00) Yeah.
(1:06:01) I don't know.
Brian
(1:06:02) Let's see.
(1:06:03) Do you have, like, a favorite film?
(1:06:05) It could be fiction or anything or favorite TV show.
(1:06:08) Or
Daniel
(1:06:09) I don't know.
(1:06:10) I mean, one of my favorites movie ever is for scam.
Brian
(1:06:14) Yeah.
(1:06:15) Yeah.
(1:06:15) Yeah.
Daniel
(1:06:15) I always say the same.
(1:06:17) A movie that I can watch forever, I can watch today for scam and tomorrow again.
(1:06:24) I don't know how many times I watch that, but I don't know.
(1:06:28) It makes me happy.
(1:06:29) Yeah.
Daniel
(1:06:30) For sure, I have movies like godfather or but it's tough to watch it again.
(1:06:37) It's really long.
(1:06:38) I love that movie, but I don't know.
(1:06:40) Now I get to the point that, for example, forest gum is a movie that I can watch forever, and it makes me happy.
Brian
(1:06:47) It's like in French, we say doo doo.
(1:06:51) Doo doo is like your teddy bear or Mhmm.
(1:06:55) It's a comfort thing.
Daniel
(1:06:56) Mhmm.
Brian
(1:06:56) You can watch it again because you know that if you want it's like hugging stuffed animal.
Daniel
(1:07:02) Exactly.
Brian
(1:07:03) Well, if you wanna feel comfortable, you watch forest gums.
Daniel
(1:07:06) Yeah.
(1:07:06) That's
Brian
(1:07:06) your your doo doo.
Daniel
(1:07:08) And friends, for example, is that too?
Brian
(1:07:10) Oh, yeah.
(1:07:11) Friends is totally doo doo.
(1:07:12) Yeah.
(1:07:12) Friends is you know that you you'll have a good time watching it when you watch it for those who like Friends, but most people do.
(1:07:21) Yeah.
Daniel
(1:07:22) And, yeah, now I'm watching mostly documentaries.
(1:07:26) I found this platform is free, water bear water beer.
Brian
(1:07:32) Water beer?
Daniel
(1:07:33) Water beer.
Brian
(1:07:33) Bear b e r?
(1:07:35) Or
Daniel
(1:07:35) B e a r.
Brian
(1:07:37) Oh, bear.
Daniel
(1:07:38) Water bear.
(1:07:38) Water bear.
(1:07:39) And it's basically free.
(1:07:41) It's like Netflix, but for basically documentaries about the nature.
Brian
(1:07:46) Oh, that's so cool.
Daniel
(1:07:47) Environment.
(1:07:48) And, actually, I was just writing them.
(1:07:51) I run after one year of festivals with my documentary.
(1:07:56) I wrote them, like, for sure, they are they are gonna say no.
(1:08:00) Mhmm.
Daniel
(1:08:01) But I said, I have this documentary.
(1:08:03) I want to just release this in a platform.
(1:08:06) You are interested, and they were interested.
(1:08:08) Yeah.
(1:08:09) And now my documentary is there.
Daniel
(1:08:11) And, basically, I love the platform because it's free, and you can watch the I don't know.
(1:08:16) For me, the best documentary is now that their release about everything about Patagonia, that I love everything that they do.
(1:08:25) That is basically about the environment, and I spend my time now watching these things.
(1:08:31) Yeah.
Brian
(1:08:32) That's your happy place.
Daniel
(1:08:33) Yeah.
(1:08:33) It's my happy place.
Brian
(1:08:40) So this has this has been great.
Daniel
(1:08:42) Mhmm.
Brian
(1:08:42) I if to finish on we we've been pretty serious, which is good.
(1:08:46) Yeah.
(1:08:46) We talk about our work, our craft.
Daniel
(1:08:49) Yeah.
Brian
(1:08:49) We yeah.
(1:08:50) I wanted to ask you.
(1:08:51) So you we were having coffee today near the Lake Geneva.
(1:08:56) Yeah.
(1:08:57) Very nice.
Brian
(1:08:58) After shoots, we were just chilling on the terrace, and there's a bird, chats, you know, like, dropping in between Daniel and I.
(1:09:10) And then you said, like, this happens to me all the time.
(1:09:13) What's the story behind this?
Daniel
(1:09:15) Yeah.
(1:09:15) This is a crazy story.
Brian
(1:09:19) Hey.
(1:09:19) You're the one who brought it up.
Daniel
(1:09:21) Yeah.
(1:09:21) Yeah.
Brian
(1:09:21) Yeah.
(1:09:21) Talk about it during
Daniel
(1:09:23) the sure.
(1:09:24) For sure.
(1:09:25) It was crazy because it was in a point of my life that I was working in a company twenty four hours, my first job in audio visual in visual production company.
(1:09:37) And after two years, I wanted to leave.
(1:09:40) And was the day that a new guy that was kind of a new boss came and was the first week for him, and he was like, I want to have a lunch with you.
Daniel
(1:09:51) And I said, okay.
(1:09:52) Let's go.
(1:09:53) Because I wanted he wanted to just convince me to stay in the company because he knew that I have a lot of value in the company, but they didn't take care of me.
(1:10:04) And I was like, okay.
(1:10:05) I want to leave anyway, but I let's have a lunch.
Daniel
(1:10:08) And we went for lunch, and and we went to a Mexican, and we got a beer, a few quesadillas and nachos.
(1:10:18) And the thing is sometimes I don't recognize colors.
(1:10:24) I have a bit of Daltonism.
Brian
(1:10:26) Oh, really?
Daniel
(1:10:27) Yeah.
(1:10:28) Only for red and green sometimes, but if I spend so many a lot of hours editing, my my eyes are a bit tired, and sometimes it's difficult to recognize colors
Brian
(1:10:39) for me.
(1:10:39) Funny because you're a good color corrector.
(1:10:41) So
Daniel
(1:10:42) Yes.
(1:10:42) Everyone asking me about this, but there are so many tools that you can use to really color correct good.
Brian
(1:10:49) Yeah.
Daniel
(1:10:50) And it's not extreme.
(1:10:51) It's kind of
Brian
(1:10:52) It's a mild
Daniel
(1:10:53) It's a bit the funny thing about this is that I was eating and I was having lunch, and he was just really serious in front of me trying to convince to be in the company.
(1:11:05) And I was like this, and I was like, oh, fuck.
(1:11:07) I just have, like, a bit of guacamole in my pant.
(1:11:11) And I just took all the guacamole from my pant and put it in my mouth.
(1:11:17) But it was not guacamole.
Daniel
(1:11:20) It was a fucking seat of a bird.
(1:11:22) Oh, no.
(1:11:24) And I I always I always think about the face of this guy trying to convince me to stay in the company watching me eating a set of bread with all my finger.
(1:11:37) And I couldn't say anything in that moment, and I was just drinking all the beer that I can because it was, like, the worst taste ever.
Brian
(1:11:46) But did he see?
(1:11:46) Did he notice what
Daniel
(1:11:47) you
Brian
(1:11:47) were
Daniel
(1:11:47) doing?
(1:11:48) I don't know.
(1:11:48) I never asked him, and I didn't see this guy in my life.
Brian
(1:11:53) I even thought you were the weirdest guy.
Daniel
(1:11:56) For sure.
(1:11:57) After this, he was thinking, like, I'm not gonna hire
Brian
(1:12:00) this guy.
Daniel
(1:12:01) It's better than his leave.
(1:12:04) Or maybe he thought that I was just testing him.
(1:12:08) Yeah.
(1:12:08) Yeah.
(1:12:12) Every time I tell this story, all the people are like, what the fuck?
Brian
(1:12:15) So now are you able to eat guacamole, or are you
Daniel
(1:12:18) Yeah.
(1:12:19) I love guacamole, but, I just need to make sure that it's in a plate, not in my pants.
(1:12:24) Yeah.
(1:12:24) Yeah.
(1:12:24) Yeah.
Daniel
(1:12:25) Yeah.
Brian
(1:12:25) Don't eat guacamole from your pants.
Daniel
(1:12:28) Unfortunately, I have a bit of a trauma.
(1:12:31) Yeah.
(1:12:32) It's crazy.
Brian
(1:12:33) That's a good story.
(1:12:34) So to finish, usually, what we do is one last question.
(1:12:39) You can ask me a question, and then I'll I'll ask you one last question.
(1:12:44) Okay.
(1:12:45) It could be anything.
Brian
(1:12:47) Poof.
Daniel
(1:12:49) This is difficult.
Brian
(1:12:52) Or what we can do is we can spin the random question wheel on Google.
Daniel
(1:12:57) Ah, okay.
Brian
(1:12:59) You wanna try that?
Daniel
(1:12:59) Yeah.
(1:13:00) Let's try that.
Brian
(1:13:00) It's fun.
(1:13:01) Sometimes it's pretty fun what what we get.
(1:13:03) Let's
Daniel
(1:13:04) see.
(1:13:04) Okay.
Brian
(1:13:05) Question wheel spin.
(1:13:10) This is these are stupid questions.
(1:13:12) Hold on.
(1:13:12) I'll find random okay.
(1:13:14) Random question generator.
Brian
(1:13:16) It needs to be a bit random.
(1:13:18) Okay.
(1:13:18) Ah, there's a
Daniel
(1:13:20) music.
(1:13:20) Spin.
Brian
(1:13:23) Yeah.
(1:13:24) It's much better with the sound effect.
Daniel
(1:13:25) Okay.
Brian
(1:13:28) It's a pretty classic question, but interesting.
(1:13:31) I'm curious to know.
(1:13:33) What would you do if you won the lottery and why?
Daniel
(1:13:39) I think it's pretty clear for me.
(1:13:43) I realized that my place in the world is Asturias right now because in my life, I was feeling that I never feel like I have a place to be.
Brian
(1:13:57) Oh, really?
Daniel
(1:13:58) I was, like, in Madrid, and I was like, I love Madrid, but this is not my place.
(1:14:04) I went to live in Tenerife in the Canary Islands.
(1:14:07) I love that place, but I was feeling this is not my place.
(1:14:12) And I think I found my refugee, like, in Asturias because, first of all, I love to be close to the ocean and close to the mountains, and it's, I don't know, it's perfect for that.
(1:14:25) And second, the food is amazing.
Daniel
(1:14:28) Third, the people there is amazing.
(1:14:30) And I was like I I will I think now that I was be able to live in the wintertime in Asturias, that I really needed to to try because it's really rainy and cold there, I realized, okay.
(1:14:45) It's not that bad.
(1:14:47) And and I think if I want if I win the lottery, I will just buy a house, do everything, have a garden, few chickens, and live there.
(1:14:59) For sure, not out of the society.
Daniel
(1:15:01) Like, I will just come back to I mean, I will keep working.
(1:15:06) I will keep creating documentaries and stuff like that, but I think a dream could be half a house and have my own place there.
(1:15:15) Yeah.
Brian
(1:15:16) That's awesome.
(1:15:16) Yeah.
(1:15:17) Because it's an extension of your what your life is.
(1:15:20) Yeah.
(1:15:20) It's you wouldn't change.
Brian
(1:15:23) You would just enhance what you already have in a way.
Daniel
(1:15:27) Yeah.
(1:15:27) I think it's kind of, for me, it's was difficult to find peace.
(1:15:31) Mhmm.
(1:15:32) Always running away, don't having a real place for me, and having a place that I know that I'm happy every day.
(1:15:39) I mean, not every day, like, but I feel peace.
Daniel
(1:15:42) It's really important for me.
(1:15:44) And even I love Switzerland.
(1:15:46) My girlfriend's in Switzerland.
(1:15:48) My dream will be living between Switzerland and Spain, and I that's what I'm doing right now.
(1:15:54) But having a house in Asturias could be a dream, and it's like a chill dream.
Daniel
(1:15:59) Yeah.
(1:15:59) I don't want to I, for sure, travel.
(1:16:02) I will keep going traveling and stuff like that, but I think that will be a dream for me.
Brian
(1:16:07) That's pretty awesome.
Daniel
(1:16:08) Yeah.
(1:16:09) Good
Brian
(1:16:09) question, a random question generator.
Daniel
(1:16:12) Yeah.
(1:16:13) I have a random question for you.
(1:16:15) Sure.
(1:16:15) Maybe Go for it.
(1:16:17) It's really random, but if you can choose a song or a artist that you can only list listen for the rest of your life, what will be because I think the music for sure, there's a timing of your life that you like to listen one music or another, but for sure, there is a artist that always makes you feel happy.
Brian
(1:16:39) Yeah.
(1:16:39) Yeah.
(1:16:39) Yeah.
(1:16:39) Yeah.
(1:16:40) For me, that's pretty easy.
Brian
(1:16:41) The artist would be Radiohead.
Daniel
(1:16:43) Okay.
Brian
(1:16:44) That's just my favorite bands by I'm I'm, yeah, I'm like a super super fan.
(1:16:52) I just the the music creates triggers and emotion in me that just I can listen over and over again.
(1:17:01) And and they've had so many different periods in their music that from the first album to the last one they did, it it it's different types of emotions too.
(1:17:15) Mhmm.
(1:17:17) I just don't I don't really get tired of of of listening to radio.
Brian
(1:17:22) I don't listen that much anymore because I want the surprise element of when I listen to them again.
(1:17:29) I'm like, yeah.
(1:17:30) That's fucking why they're the best.
Daniel
(1:17:33) Yeah.
Brian
(1:17:35) It just it just does something.
(1:17:36) I mean, I I absolutely love music, and I was a big Metallica fan.
(1:17:40) And I, you know, I still really admire Metallica for for their career and and what they did for heavy metal and hard rock.
(1:17:48) And and I for me, they're like masters.
(1:17:53) I really like Prince.
Brian
(1:17:54) I love Prince.
(1:17:56) And he's, he's also comes from Minneapolis where I was born, so there's a bit of a pride thing like that.
(1:18:02) Prince comes from here.
(1:18:04) Like, when people ask me, where were you born?
(1:18:06) Minneapolis.
Brian
(1:18:07) Like Prince.
(1:18:08) And I love that Prince could touch so many different types of music.
(1:18:14) And he was just a musical genius, played every instrument and, you know, could do funk, could do rock, could do for me, his prince's Super Bowl performance, I don't know if you ever saw it, the halftime show.
Daniel
(1:18:27) Yeah.
(1:18:27) Yeah.
(1:18:27) I saw I saw something.
Brian
(1:18:28) The prince one is the best.
(1:18:30) I mean, it will always be the best.
Daniel
(1:18:32) There's this he was doing things that nobody did in that period of time.
(1:18:36) Right?
(1:18:37) Or, like, pretty new things in the show.
Brian
(1:18:39) Oh, he was all he was always
Daniel
(1:18:44) One step ahead.
Brian
(1:18:46) Step ahead.
(1:18:46) Yeah.
(1:18:47) Yeah.
(1:18:47) Yeah.
(1:18:47) Yeah.
Brian
(1:18:47) At the same time, really very rooted in tradition, like in in the James Brown was a big influence and, you know, and then he used disco.
(1:18:58) But he was somebody who was always interested in different types of music, and he liked contemporary artists too.
(1:19:05) Mhmm.
(1:19:05) Like, he there's many, many print stories where he would come up to, like, an up and coming artist and just tell them, like, I'm a big fan of yours.
(1:19:15) And the person would be like, what?
Brian
(1:19:17) Us?
(1:19:18) You know?
(1:19:19) But he was a bit weird.
(1:19:21) And I think his life was quite bizarre because he had he had, it's a shame actually when we're talking about documentaries because there's a there's a nine I think it's like a nine hour documentary
Daniel
(1:19:33) Mhmm.
Brian
(1:19:33) That's shot, edited, complete, but the Prince Estates won't allow, the release because of some yeah.
(1:19:45) But it's a shame because, apparently, the documentary is amazing, but it doesn't show a what's the word?
(1:19:54) Polished you know, like, a pretty version.
(1:19:56) It's real, but the real is the good and the bad.
(1:19:58) That's just true.
Brian
(1:20:00) But but with Prince, there was always that enigma en enigma Mhmm.
(1:20:04) Of sort of that Michael Jackson had.
Daniel
(1:20:07) It's they're
Brian
(1:20:07) they're above almost human beings because they they they sound personage.
(1:20:13) Yeah.
(1:20:13) Like Elvis, like like many people were they're just too big in a way, and their lives are not normal and can't
Daniel
(1:20:20) be normal.
(1:20:20) Yeah.
Brian
(1:20:20) For sure.
(1:20:21) But but, yeah, Radiohead would would be number one.
(1:20:24) And if I had to pick a song, I think it would be, yeah, paranoid android by Radiohead.
(1:20:33) I don't know if you see which one it is.
Daniel
(1:20:35) Yeah.
(1:20:35) Yeah.
(1:20:35) Yeah.
Brian
(1:20:35) Yeah.
(1:20:36) That's my if I had to pick
Daniel
(1:20:38) one song play that when we finish the podcast.
(1:20:41) Definitely.
Brian
(1:20:42) Definitely.
(1:20:43) Yeah.
(1:20:43) I mean, that in it's like in one song, I think it's maybe, like, six or seven minutes.
(1:20:51) I think it's six minutes and a half, but it's almost like three songs in one.
(1:20:55) And, you know, we were telling about about storytelling, and there's there's a a beginning, a middle, and an end.
Daniel
(1:21:02) Mhmm.
Brian
(1:21:03) And this song takes you through a journey where it starts a certain way, and then suddenly, it's like after two minutes, it's like, woah.
(1:21:12) What what the fuck?
(1:21:13) There's a bridge, and then it, you know, goes into, like, really crunchy guitar.
(1:21:18) And then suddenly, it just drops down and goes into, like I even have shivers talking
Daniel
(1:21:24) to
Brian
(1:21:25) I don't even have to listen to it.
Daniel
(1:21:26) It's crazy.
Brian
(1:21:27) The emotion that it triggers in me, the the voices, the everything, I mean, I just and then the end, the the the the final bouquet is it's a fucking masterpiece.
(1:21:41) The there's quite a few people compare it Bohemian Rhapsody
Daniel
(1:21:46) Yeah.
Brian
(1:21:46) In that sense.
Daniel
(1:21:47) Yeah.
Brian
(1:21:48) But I I love those songs that are a bit longer.
Daniel
(1:21:51) Yeah.
(1:21:51) Bohemian Rhapsody.
(1:21:52) It's crazy good.
Brian
(1:21:54) I mean, it takes you it's a voyage.
(1:21:56) It's like and you might not know it, but you know it.
(1:22:02) It's like the mama mia mama mia.
Daniel
(1:22:04) Yeah.
(1:22:05) Yeah.
Brian
(1:22:05) Yeah.
(1:22:06) Jesus.
(1:22:08) Actually, that's one of my one thing I love is learning the stories behind the songs and the recording process
Daniel
(1:22:18) Mhmm.
Brian
(1:22:18) And the ideas.
(1:22:19) And I I could watch only that on YouTube.
(1:22:22) I just devour this.
(1:22:25) I love the the anecdotes and the stories of how songs were were built.
Daniel
(1:22:30) Yeah.
(1:22:31) That could be for a big podcast to talk
Brian
(1:22:33) about that.
(1:22:34) That's for our next podcast.
(1:22:36) But yeah.
(1:22:37) No.
(1:22:37) That's a great question.
Brian
(1:22:39) And you, just to finish on that?
Daniel
(1:22:43) I don't know.
(1:22:44) I have a few bands that I listened.
(1:22:47) Now I'm thinking about what which because for sure, it's about life, what you are looking for, and the depends of your moment of your life.
(1:22:57) Now I leak listen a lot about folk, especially, for example, sons of the east makes me happy.
(1:23:04) Yeah.
Daniel
(1:23:04) It's a folk band from Australia, and I watched them in life, and it's amazing.
(1:23:10) I love them.
(1:23:11) And I like folk music now a lot.
(1:23:14) But for example, I grew up with rap from the twenties, like, from the 2000.
(1:23:22) Sorry.
Daniel
(1:23:23) Spanish mostly.
(1:23:24) And but for example, Linkin Park is something that I can listen over and over.
(1:23:30) Not now because I I don't think it's this with this new singer, I don't know.
(1:23:35) I like it, but it's not the same.
(1:23:38) But linking part for sure.
Daniel
(1:23:40) Gorillas makes me feel like I'm a kid again.
(1:23:43) Yeah.
(1:23:43) I don't know.
(1:23:44) It's something that is always there.
(1:23:46) Now Residente that is more rap, but really creative and really, I don't know, songs that tell a story defending, for example, about the rights of Puerto Rico or Latin America putting them up this this kind of music that is not only reggaeton, that is more behind that of, for example, Manu Chow Yeah.
Daniel
(1:24:11) Is something that I listen a lot, especially when I'm in my camper van and traveling around.
(1:24:16) I love to listen to
Brian
(1:24:17) that.
(1:24:17) Manu music, I really feel brings you to different for me, when I listen to Manuchaw, I'm transported into the time when I listened to it when I was younger.
Daniel
(1:24:29) Exactly.
Brian
(1:24:29) There's something about the yeah.
Daniel
(1:24:32) Yeah.
(1:24:32) Manu Chow is really nice.
(1:24:34) But, yeah, I cannot tell you why.
(1:24:36) I'm sorry.
(1:24:36) Hey.
Brian
(1:24:37) You don't have to.
(1:24:38) You don't have to.
(1:24:39) It's a bookend Yeah.
(1:24:40) Finish.
(1:24:41) And, yeah, thanks, Daniel.
Brian
(1:24:43) This was great.
Daniel
(1:24:43) I love that.
(1:24:44) Much We're for everything.
(1:24:45) Right?
Brian
(1:24:46) We get to work together and
Daniel
(1:24:48) Yeah.
Brian
(1:24:48) And, more stuff.
(1:24:49) It seems like there's always projects.
Daniel
(1:24:51) Yeah.
(1:24:52) Yeah.
(1:24:52) For sure.
(1:24:53) There are more projects coming.
Brian
(1:24:54) So, I'm very happy that you found a a girlfriend in Switzerland, and you're here more often.
(1:25:00) And
Daniel
(1:25:01) Thank you.
Brian
(1:25:03) And I well, you know, can't wait to to continue working with you.
Daniel
(1:25:07) Yeah.
(1:25:07) Me too.
Brian
(1:25:08) Take care, man.
Daniel
(1:25:09) Ciao.
(1:25:09) In all directions.
